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That's the funny thing - leftist beliefs are in fact "half the population is my lesser". The half that are not leftist are "bad hateful people", and you hate th

by ploxiln 10y ago

That's the funny thing - leftist beliefs are in fact "half the population is my lesser". The half that are not leftist are "bad hateful people", and you hate them and do not tolerate them. I'm no republican, but I end up being more annoyed by liberals for such blatant doublethink, for being unable to recognize their own actions.

Pxtl 10y ago
> The half that are not leftist are "bad hateful people", and you hate them and do not tolerate them. You're arguing with a strawman. There's an ocean of space between "leftist" and "bigoted" for normal centre and right-wing people who aren't bigots. I'll agree that the social justice community has made a bad habit of throwing around "racist" and "sexist" far too freely, especially in the wake of Trump's election. But this isn't like that. This is a guy who celebrates sexism. Who has made sexism a cornerstone of his ideology. It is not hypocritical to be intolerant of intolerance, anymore than it is hypocritical to use violence to stop violence (since that is the entire mechanism of law enforcement).
Frondo 10y ago
I've never seen any leftist claim that any group is inferior by birth; though it is, of course, easy to find leftists looking down on people for the ideas they hold and politics they practice. But having bad ideas doesn't seem to translate to "is my lesser" or is less human than me. To put it another way, the leftists will acknowledge that anyone can grow out of stupid ideas (and indeed, there are hopeful stories of bigots changing their tune), while the things the right gets down on people for (being gay, whatever) are things built into the person. So, I think this is an inaccurate characterization of the left. You're free to be annoyed by whatever annoys you, of course, but this one might merit rethinking.
- yakshaving_jgt 10y ago
  > I've never seen any leftist claim that any group is inferior by birth Did you forget radical feminism?
exclusiv 10y ago
Leftists do regularly paint those with different beliefs as evil just because they have a different point of view. They also have a streak of disdain toward minorities where they start with an assumption that they can't do certain things and only the lefties can save them with overreaching policies. So while I agree with you - your second statement "annoyed by liberals" should probably be changed to "annoyed by leftists". Liberals and leftists couldn't be more different but are often used interchangeably. Leftists will do what we are talking about. Liberals don't.
- ploxiln 10y ago
  I didn't even notice that I used a different term - thanks for pointing that out. And the terms are probably defined differently by significant numbers of people (compare to "hacker"). So I'll go ahead and agree that there are more than a few liberals out there who seem reasonable to me, and I might even consider myself among them :)

by ploxiln 10y ago

Pxtl 10y ago

> The half that are not leftist are "bad hateful people", and you hate them and do not tolerate them. You're arguing with a strawman. There's an ocean of space between "leftist" and "bigoted" for normal centre and right-wing people who aren't bigots. I'll agree that the social justice community has made a bad habit of throwing around "racist" and "sexist" far too freely, especially in the wake of Trump's election. But this isn't like that. This is a guy who celebrates sexism. Who has made sexism a cornerstone of his ideology. It is not hypocritical to be intolerant of intolerance, anymore than it is hypocritical to use violence to stop violence (since that is the entire mechanism of law enforcement).

Frondo 10y ago

I've never seen any leftist claim that any group is inferior by birth; though it is, of course, easy to find leftists looking down on people for the ideas they hold and politics they practice. But having bad ideas doesn't seem to translate to "is my lesser" or is less human than me. To put it another way, the leftists will acknowledge that anyone can grow out of stupid ideas (and indeed, there are hopeful stories of bigots changing their tune), while the things the right gets down on people for (being gay, whatever) are things built into the person. So, I think this is an inaccurate characterization of the left. You're free to be annoyed by whatever annoys you, of course, but this one might merit rethinking.

yakshaving_jgt 10y ago
> I've never seen any leftist claim that any group is inferior by birth Did you forget radical feminism?

exclusiv 10y ago

Leftists do regularly paint those with different beliefs as evil just because they have a different point of view. They also have a streak of disdain toward minorities where they start with an assumption that they can't do certain things and only the lefties can save them with overreaching policies. So while I agree with you - your second statement "annoyed by liberals" should probably be changed to "annoyed by leftists". Liberals and leftists couldn't be more different but are often used interchangeably. Leftists will do what we are talking about. Liberals don't.

ploxiln 10y ago
I didn't even notice that I used a different term - thanks for pointing that out. And the terms are probably defined differently by significant numbers of people (compare to "hacker"). So I'll go ahead and agree that there are more than a few liberals out there who seem reasonable to me, and I might even consider myself among them :)