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For the record, a large chunk of the social justice community are kinky (and, separately, a large chunk of the kink community agrees broadly with modern feminis

For the record, a large chunk of the social justice community are kinky (and, separately, a large chunk of the kink community agrees broadly with modern feminist views). Nobody I've spoken to within my subset of the social justice community wants somebody to be removed from the Drupal community based on how they go about their personal relationships and sexuality.

nebabyte 10y ago
> For the record, a large chunk of the social justice community are ki Gonna stop you right there - there exists no "record" this needs to be on. Or rather, were there a need for it to be "on a record", such a community would already be failing their supposed 'without the community needing to know or care' ideal.
- vertex-four 10y ago
  I'm just saying, that it'd be entirely illogical for the social justice community at large to be against the practice of kink, given that many of its members practice kink in a wide variety of ways. There's no reason to assume that the SJW community at large will be against the practice of any consensual sexuality, which many people in this thread are doing.
  - nebabyte 10y ago
    And I'm just saying, the ideal of "don't know, don't care" can't purport to be upheld when analyses like these enter into "people X and people Y do Z to what degree". You can't have it both ways.
    - vertex-four 10y ago
      I never said "don't know, don't care" - though I certainly don't care, even if I do know. I was only attacking the idea that it's a bunch of nebulous "SJWs" kicking Larry out of the community, and pointing out that this is a nonsensical idea from the very start. There is no better way to do that given that many people believe SJWs are literally the devil than to say "we do literally this, why the fuck would we attack someone for it?"
tomlock 10y ago
+1 for this. I know plenty of feminists that hang out with Goreans. Seems like an imagined opposition more than a real one.
makomk 10y ago
The social justice community has also pretty much always had completely different standards for members of the ingroup and outgroup. (To be honest, most communities probably do.) I mean, one of the really prominent (now ex-)members of the social justice gamedev community wrote a heartwrenching piece about what a terrible, abusive place it and its "compulsory BDSM sexuality" was for her, people handwrung over it a little, and a year later nothing had changed and everyone was gushing about how the latest game out the community showed that actually, non-BDSM relationships were the abusive, manipulative ones. They literally learned nothing, and no-one saw anything wrong with this. Meanwhile, every failure within the mainstream BDSM community is seen as an indictment of its evil misogynistic heterosexist buzzword bingo.

nebabyte 10y ago

> For the record, a large chunk of the social justice community are ki Gonna stop you right there - there exists no "record" this needs to be on. Or rather, were there a need for it to be "on a record", such a community would already be failing their supposed 'without the community needing to know or care' ideal.

vertex-four 10y ago
I'm just saying, that it'd be entirely illogical for the social justice community at large to be against the practice of kink, given that many of its members practice kink in a wide variety of ways. There's no reason to assume that the SJW community at large will be against the practice of any consensual sexuality, which many people in this thread are doing.
- nebabyte 10y ago
  And I'm just saying, the ideal of "don't know, don't care" can't purport to be upheld when analyses like these enter into "people X and people Y do Z to what degree". You can't have it both ways.
  - vertex-four 10y ago
    I never said "don't know, don't care" - though I certainly don't care, even if I do know. I was only attacking the idea that it's a bunch of nebulous "SJWs" kicking Larry out of the community, and pointing out that this is a nonsensical idea from the very start. There is no better way to do that given that many people believe SJWs are literally the devil than to say "we do literally this, why the fuck would we attack someone for it?"

tomlock 10y ago

+1 for this. I know plenty of feminists that hang out with Goreans. Seems like an imagined opposition more than a real one.

makomk 10y ago

The social justice community has also pretty much always had completely different standards for members of the ingroup and outgroup. (To be honest, most communities probably do.) I mean, one of the really prominent (now ex-)members of the social justice gamedev community wrote a heartwrenching piece about what a terrible, abusive place it and its "compulsory BDSM sexuality" was for her, people handwrung over it a little, and a year later nothing had changed and everyone was gushing about how the latest game out the community showed that actually, non-BDSM relationships were the abusive, manipulative ones. They literally learned nothing, and no-one saw anything wrong with this. Meanwhile, every failure within the mainstream BDSM community is seen as an indictment of its evil misogynistic heterosexist buzzword bingo.