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In the same line, Brendan Eich. I completely disagree with his views on marriage of homosexuals, but disagree that it led him to have to quit his position at Mo

In the same line, Brendan Eich. I completely disagree with his views on marriage of homosexuals, but disagree that it led him to have to quit his position at Mozilla Foundation.

ekianjo 10y ago
another victim of the proponents of Liberty And Freedom. Who basically dont accept opinions different than theirs.
- nebabyte 10y ago
  Seems reasonable. The Catholic Church doesn't allow high-ranking members to be atheists, and look, the Old World even gave them their own state.
  - dorfsmay 10y ago
    The Catholic church never pretended to be open-minded!
pavlov 10y ago
Eich was CEO, though. It's a special position in any organization. The board can ask you to leave at any time if you seem to be a liability, and the mere optics of a PR issue can be enough. That's why CEOs often have such generous compensation packages in the event of involuntary termination.
- humanrebar 10y ago
  > The board can ask you to leave at any time if you seem to be a liability... It's worth noting that many of the objections are about private information being misused. Eich was actually outed from a donor list that was leaked. There's a lot of parallels here if the concern is about "doxxing" activities. I also have a really hard time with the "but CEOs are different argument". So could being a Democrat in a red state be a liability? Republican in a blue state? Evangelical in a secular area? Atheist in a religious one? Scientologists? Mormons? In other words, are we saying that only certain kinds of people can be CEOs?
  - pavlov 10y ago
    That's how it works. The board decides who they want. You can always start your own company if you want to be CEO. In fact, that's what Eich has done - he's a startup founder nowadays.
  - noxToken 10y ago
    > In other words, are we saying that only certain kinds of people can be CEOs? In short, yes. There are plenty of rational people out there who don't care what someone does in their private life as long as it doesn't have a readily apparent effect on business. It's a shame that all people cannot be like this, because there are others who take a hard line stance against certain private matter that someone else may hold. That is, the fact that a CEO is a Dom in a D/s relationship will resonate so negatively with some people that is can adversely impact business. Do you remember the Cheerios commercial[0] with the interracial family? People have much bigger skeletons in their closets, and from a business standpoint, that's a liability. It's not right. It's not fair. But it's reality. [0]: http://www.today.com/news/cheerios-ad-mixed-race-family-draws-racist-responses-6C10169988 http://www.today.com/news/cheerios-ad-mixed-race-family-draw...
    - coldpie 10y ago
      > It's a shame that all people cannot be like this, because there are others who take a hard line stance against certain private matter that someone else may hold. In Eich's case, it wasn't a private matter. He used his money and influence to attempt to enforce his religious views on people who do not subscribe to his religion. When you are involving the government in public enforcement of your personal views, they are not personal any longer.
      - humanrebar 10y ago
        The donor list was not public. Some people believe private political behavior should stay private, just like voting. Saying "this is too important for privacy to apply" affects more issues than just politics advocacy. In this situation, people apparently are applying the template: "When you X, it's no longer personal anymore".
- LordKano 10y ago
  Eich didn't engage in advocacy as an executive, he did so as a private citizen.
  - pavlov 10y ago
    Doesn't matter for a CEO. The job has no such protections.
  - awinder 10y ago
    He was being paid by Mozilla, and that money then ended up in the hands of people who weaponized that money against values that the people who financed that salary held. If people can't even vote with their wallets anymore, then we are creating a situation of moral hazard.
    - douche 10y ago
      I guess you can't use any of your paycheck to support your union, then, because it is working against the interests of your employer who paid you that salary.
    - LordKano 10y ago
      Proposition 8 passed. It was in line with the wishes of the majority of California voters.
  - nebabyte 10y ago
    > The board can ask you to leave at any time if you seem to be a liability
- ianbicking 10y ago
  Brendan Eich quit, he wasn't fired.
LordKano 10y ago
Eich was the first person I thought of when I read this letter. We've all heard of sore losers but those people were sore winners.

In the same line, Brendan Eich. I completely disagree with his views on marriage of homosexuals, but disagree that it led him to have to quit his position at Mozilla Foundation.

ekianjo 10y ago

another victim of the proponents of Liberty And Freedom. Who basically dont accept opinions different than theirs.

nebabyte 10y ago
Seems reasonable. The Catholic Church doesn't allow high-ranking members to be atheists, and look, the Old World even gave them their own state.
- dorfsmay 10y ago
  The Catholic church never pretended to be open-minded!

pavlov 10y ago

Eich was CEO, though. It's a special position in any organization. The board can ask you to leave at any time if you seem to be a liability, and the mere optics of a PR issue can be enough. That's why CEOs often have such generous compensation packages in the event of involuntary termination.

humanrebar 10y ago
> The board can ask you to leave at any time if you seem to be a liability... It's worth noting that many of the objections are about private information being misused. Eich was actually outed from a donor list that was leaked. There's a lot of parallels here if the concern is about "doxxing" activities. I also have a really hard time with the "but CEOs are different argument". So could being a Democrat in a red state be a liability? Republican in a blue state? Evangelical in a secular area? Atheist in a religious one? Scientologists? Mormons? In other words, are we saying that only certain kinds of people can be CEOs?
- pavlov 10y ago
  That's how it works. The board decides who they want. You can always start your own company if you want to be CEO. In fact, that's what Eich has done - he's a startup founder nowadays.
- noxToken 10y ago
  > In other words, are we saying that only certain kinds of people can be CEOs? In short, yes. There are plenty of rational people out there who don't care what someone does in their private life as long as it doesn't have a readily apparent effect on business. It's a shame that all people cannot be like this, because there are others who take a hard line stance against certain private matter that someone else may hold. That is, the fact that a CEO is a Dom in a D/s relationship will resonate so negatively with some people that is can adversely impact business. Do you remember the Cheerios commercial[0] with the interracial family? People have much bigger skeletons in their closets, and from a business standpoint, that's a liability. It's not right. It's not fair. But it's reality. [0]: http://www.today.com/news/cheerios-ad-mixed-race-family-draws-racist-responses-6C10169988 http://www.today.com/news/cheerios-ad-mixed-race-family-draw...
  - coldpie 10y ago
    > It's a shame that all people cannot be like this, because there are others who take a hard line stance against certain private matter that someone else may hold. In Eich's case, it wasn't a private matter. He used his money and influence to attempt to enforce his religious views on people who do not subscribe to his religion. When you are involving the government in public enforcement of your personal views, they are not personal any longer.
    - humanrebar 10y ago
      The donor list was not public. Some people believe private political behavior should stay private, just like voting. Saying "this is too important for privacy to apply" affects more issues than just politics advocacy. In this situation, people apparently are applying the template: "When you X, it's no longer personal anymore".
LordKano 10y ago
Eich didn't engage in advocacy as an executive, he did so as a private citizen.
- pavlov 10y ago
  Doesn't matter for a CEO. The job has no such protections.
- awinder 10y ago
  He was being paid by Mozilla, and that money then ended up in the hands of people who weaponized that money against values that the people who financed that salary held. If people can't even vote with their wallets anymore, then we are creating a situation of moral hazard.
  - douche 10y ago
    I guess you can't use any of your paycheck to support your union, then, because it is working against the interests of your employer who paid you that salary.
  - LordKano 10y ago
    Proposition 8 passed. It was in line with the wishes of the majority of California voters.
- nebabyte 10y ago
  > The board can ask you to leave at any time if you seem to be a liability
ianbicking 10y ago
Brendan Eich quit, he wasn't fired.

LordKano 10y ago

Eich was the first person I thought of when I read this letter. We've all heard of sore losers but those people were sore winners.