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On the contrary, I still miss the speed of ST but the price-vs-feature ratio on VSC is too high for me to ignore anymore. No way the boss will shell out $70 per

On the contrary, I still miss the speed of ST but the price-vs-feature ratio on VSC is too high for me to ignore anymore. No way the boss will shell out $70 per license if/when ST3 is ever released (now that half our team has dropped it anyway). Guess what you said about not relying on "public opinion" includes your own.

Philipp__ 10y ago
Well price-vs-feature ratio is debatable. The thing is that VSC has many IDE-like features, that I don't want in text editor. So everything comes down to a personal preference. And I don't know if somebody will finance piece of software for you, I mean they can, again depending on situation, but I don't turn off the possibility of me personally paying for piece of software that I like.
- SippinLean 10y ago
  How so? VSC is approaching 1:1 feature parity with ST at a $70 price reduction. Some features you need extensions for in ST are included with VSC OOTB.
  - nojvek 10y ago
    I am a big vscode user, have a couple of contributions too. But because of perf, sublime feels light weight. Opening up minified and large packaged js files larger than 100 MB, sublime shines. I still have a licence and want to support the excellent work. There's a ton of features in VSC that were inspired from sublime. Minimap being one.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >VSC is approaching 1:1 feature parity with ST at a $70 price reduction. Speed is a major feature. And battery/memory efficiency is too. And, on principle, I'd pay to NOT have to use an Electron app. That said, I've used VSCode from time to time.
  - Philipp__ 10y ago
    Well it depends what you define as editor features. Debugger isn't part of editor, at least for me, nor is git integration like VSC has. But speed of opening and editing big files, swiftness in searching and replacing even chars in source code and so satisfying scrolling and good minimap for code navigation are defining factors of text editor. I don't want Sublime to be IDE, I have programable environment called Emacs for that. Integrating everything into editor is cool, to the point where you ask yourself "why am I doing all this?" and erase everything and just start writing code, not code for the editor. Again, this is my _personal_ experience, so take everything with grain of salt. I know your case is different, but I think you can see the reasoning behind my words.
vvanders 10y ago
Yikes, if $70 too high for developer productivity it seems someone isn't doing the right equation when you consider developer salaries cost in lost hours.
- satysin 10y ago
  I feel the issue isn't the $70 which isn't a big deal (or shouldn't be) but more the point that other editors like VSCode are available now and have the backing of a big company like Microsoft. The biggest criticism of Sublime is that it often feels like it has been abandoned. It goes 6+ months without a peep from the developer. This can make people uneasy. I prefer Sublime over VSCode, Atom, etc. but at the end of the day VSCode is free and still very good. Perhaps not quite as fast as Sublime but it also offers other features out of the box which Sublime doesn't so there is a trade off. Is Sublime "better" than VSCode to justify $70? That is something that can only be answered on a case by case basis I think.
  - gaastonsr 10y ago
    I find this weird. I've been using sublime text for maybe 5 years and it has only crashed once. And it was fault of a plugin, not the editor itself. Sublime Text has been feature complete (for my liking) for a lot of years now. The only thing I wish it had is an integrated debugger but it's not a deal breaker for me. I've tried to jump ship to open source alternatives (atom and vscode) but they feel sluggish to me. Most people will be happy with their performance but I've been spoiled by Sublime Text and the slightest delay feels sluggish to me.
  - matthewmacleod 10y ago
    It goes 6+ months without a peep from the developer. There was a time when that was the case, but for quite a while now we've been seeing frequent releases.
    - satysin 10y ago
      The last update before the one today was in September 2016.
wishinghand 10y ago
> No way the boss will shell out $70 per license if/when ST3 is ever released That's crazy. My computer was waiting with a license for ST3 when I arrived at my first day of work at my job. Everyone's is, and if you prefer Atom or VSCode, they don't care if you switch.
jsz0 10y ago
> No way the boss will shell out $70 per license if/when ST3 is ever released Yeah this is how it always goes. The 'almost as good but totally free' alternative almost always wins in the long run. Even when the cost isn't an issue it's just inconvenient to buy anything in most companies. Most people don't have expense accounts, company credit cards or simply don't want to deal with the hassle of paying out of pocket and getting reimbursed.

Philipp__ 10y ago

Well price-vs-feature ratio is debatable. The thing is that VSC has many IDE-like features, that I don't want in text editor. So everything comes down to a personal preference. And I don't know if somebody will finance piece of software for you, I mean they can, again depending on situation, but I don't turn off the possibility of me personally paying for piece of software that I like.

SippinLean 10y ago
How so? VSC is approaching 1:1 feature parity with ST at a $70 price reduction. Some features you need extensions for in ST are included with VSC OOTB.
- nojvek 10y ago
  I am a big vscode user, have a couple of contributions too. But because of perf, sublime feels light weight. Opening up minified and large packaged js files larger than 100 MB, sublime shines. I still have a licence and want to support the excellent work. There's a ton of features in VSC that were inspired from sublime. Minimap being one.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >VSC is approaching 1:1 feature parity with ST at a $70 price reduction. Speed is a major feature. And battery/memory efficiency is too. And, on principle, I'd pay to NOT have to use an Electron app. That said, I've used VSCode from time to time.
- Philipp__ 10y ago
  Well it depends what you define as editor features. Debugger isn't part of editor, at least for me, nor is git integration like VSC has. But speed of opening and editing big files, swiftness in searching and replacing even chars in source code and so satisfying scrolling and good minimap for code navigation are defining factors of text editor. I don't want Sublime to be IDE, I have programable environment called Emacs for that. Integrating everything into editor is cool, to the point where you ask yourself "why am I doing all this?" and erase everything and just start writing code, not code for the editor. Again, this is my _personal_ experience, so take everything with grain of salt. I know your case is different, but I think you can see the reasoning behind my words.

vvanders 10y ago

Yikes, if $70 too high for developer productivity it seems someone isn't doing the right equation when you consider developer salaries cost in lost hours.

satysin 10y ago
I feel the issue isn't the $70 which isn't a big deal (or shouldn't be) but more the point that other editors like VSCode are available now and have the backing of a big company like Microsoft. The biggest criticism of Sublime is that it often feels like it has been abandoned. It goes 6+ months without a peep from the developer. This can make people uneasy. I prefer Sublime over VSCode, Atom, etc. but at the end of the day VSCode is free and still very good. Perhaps not quite as fast as Sublime but it also offers other features out of the box which Sublime doesn't so there is a trade off. Is Sublime "better" than VSCode to justify $70? That is something that can only be answered on a case by case basis I think.
- gaastonsr 10y ago
  I find this weird. I've been using sublime text for maybe 5 years and it has only crashed once. And it was fault of a plugin, not the editor itself. Sublime Text has been feature complete (for my liking) for a lot of years now. The only thing I wish it had is an integrated debugger but it's not a deal breaker for me. I've tried to jump ship to open source alternatives (atom and vscode) but they feel sluggish to me. Most people will be happy with their performance but I've been spoiled by Sublime Text and the slightest delay feels sluggish to me.
- matthewmacleod 10y ago
  It goes 6+ months without a peep from the developer. There was a time when that was the case, but for quite a while now we've been seeing frequent releases.
  - satysin 10y ago
    The last update before the one today was in September 2016.

wishinghand 10y ago

> No way the boss will shell out $70 per license if/when ST3 is ever released That's crazy. My computer was waiting with a license for ST3 when I arrived at my first day of work at my job. Everyone's is, and if you prefer Atom or VSCode, they don't care if you switch.

jsz0 10y ago

> No way the boss will shell out $70 per license if/when ST3 is ever released Yeah this is how it always goes. The 'almost as good but totally free' alternative almost always wins in the long run. Even when the cost isn't an issue it's just inconvenient to buy anything in most companies. Most people don't have expense accounts, company credit cards or simply don't want to deal with the hassle of paying out of pocket and getting reimbursed.