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I think it is more significant from a user's perspective that they get the GNU tools to run on their NT machine with MS support. What's the use of Linux syscal

I think it is more significant from a user's perspective that they get the GNU tools to run on their NT machine with MS support. What's the use of Linux syscall -> NT syscall translation if not compatibility with developer tools, most of which are GNU software?

skrause 9y ago
So you were actually serious? I thought your first post was great satire. Poe's law strikes again...
- cryptarch 9y ago
  I think the syscall translation part is an irrelevant hack, seems silly to act like that is what makes the project more useful because it does not guarantee performance, compatibility or stability.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 9y ago
    The syscall translation makes it more useful than the previous UNIX subsystem, because it means it can near-perfectly emulate a popular POSIX-like system (Linux), and thus be compatible with most of its software, rather than being its own eccentric platform that existing POSIX software must first be ported to.
    - cryptarch 9y ago
      So is it near-perfect yet? I don't see the value if it's not more stable than "excentric" platforms like Cygwin and MSYS, but I guess I wouldn't use it either way because there's no way I'm installing Windows 10 on my hardware.
skrebbel 9y ago
> developer tools, most of which are GNU software? such as python, nodejs, elixir and PHP?
- cryptarch 9y ago
  You can say that about Linux as well; the bread-and-butter of the CLI experience is still the GNU stuff. EDIT: Yes, there are non-GNU Linux distributions, but WSL is based off Ubuntu specifically and ships with a GNU userland by default.
  - hultner 9y ago
    What if you run a ToyBox userland then? Or BusyBox for that matter
    - deleted 9y ago
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    - cryptarch 9y ago
      What if your run ToyBox on Ubuntu? You have a lot of work to do upfront and get less functionality in return.
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  - skrause 9y ago
    There are Linux distributions which contain almost no GNU software, e.g. Alpine Linux which is built around musl libc and busybox: https://alpinelinux.org/about/ https://alpinelinux.org/about/
    - cryptarch 9y ago
      WSL is "Ubuntu GNU/NT". You can't base your WSL install off other distros AFAIK.
      - yakk0 9y ago
        It takes a little work, but SuSE can work with WSL too: https://www.suse.com/communities/blog/make-windows-green-part-1/ https://www.suse.com/communities/blog/make-windows-green-par...

skrause 9y ago

So you were actually serious? I thought your first post was great satire. Poe's law strikes again...

cryptarch 9y ago
I think the syscall translation part is an irrelevant hack, seems silly to act like that is what makes the project more useful because it does not guarantee performance, compatibility or stability.
- TazeTSchnitzel 9y ago
  The syscall translation makes it more useful than the previous UNIX subsystem, because it means it can near-perfectly emulate a popular POSIX-like system (Linux), and thus be compatible with most of its software, rather than being its own eccentric platform that existing POSIX software must first be ported to.
  - cryptarch 9y ago
    So is it near-perfect yet? I don't see the value if it's not more stable than "excentric" platforms like Cygwin and MSYS, but I guess I wouldn't use it either way because there's no way I'm installing Windows 10 on my hardware.

skrebbel 9y ago

> developer tools, most of which are GNU software? such as python, nodejs, elixir and PHP?

cryptarch 9y ago
You can say that about Linux as well; the bread-and-butter of the CLI experience is still the GNU stuff. EDIT: Yes, there are non-GNU Linux distributions, but WSL is based off Ubuntu specifically and ships with a GNU userland by default.
- hultner 9y ago
  What if you run a ToyBox userland then? Or BusyBox for that matter
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - cryptarch 9y ago
    What if your run ToyBox on Ubuntu? You have a lot of work to do upfront and get less functionality in return.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
- skrause 9y ago
  There are Linux distributions which contain almost no GNU software, e.g. Alpine Linux which is built around musl libc and busybox: https://alpinelinux.org/about/ https://alpinelinux.org/about/
  - cryptarch 9y ago
    WSL is "Ubuntu GNU/NT". You can't base your WSL install off other distros AFAIK.
    - yakk0 9y ago
      It takes a little work, but SuSE can work with WSL too: https://www.suse.com/communities/blog/make-windows-green-part-1/ https://www.suse.com/communities/blog/make-windows-green-par...