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Welcome to America - we shoot first, ask questions later. There really needs to be a complete overhaul of law enforcement training in the US, and the governmen

by mtgx 10y ago

Welcome to America - we shoot first, ask questions later. There really needs to be a complete overhaul of law enforcement training in the US, and the government needs to actually enforce the law against its own agents, too.

geomark 10y ago
If anything needs disrupting it's law enforcement. Been waiting for VC's to put out a call for startups that would try to do that.
- lj3 10y ago
  Privatized law enforcement. That has the ring of sanity to it.
krapp 10y ago
America has the police culture it has because the American people wanted it. We wanted aggression in the wake of 9/11 and the War on Drugs. We wanted police to come in, guns blazing, with zero tolerance and take down the evildoers. We voted for prisons and hard time and three strikes and zero tolerance policies in schools. Lawyers and judges run for office touting the number of people they sent to the death chamber, promise more death if elected and get elected. We can't overhaul law enforcement without overhauling American culture first.
- thatcat 10y ago
  >zero tolerence in schools, acceptable police aggression, war on drugs, expansion of post 911 power... These all seem like things that were lobbied for by police unions rather than the people electing the representatives enacting these policies.
- lj3 10y ago
  > America has the police culture it has because the American people wanted it. I disagree. This has been used as a rationale for all sorts of nasty things, like replacing American culture with a globalist culture that's going to be even worse. In any case, no matter what the news may tell you, the American people did not want this. The politicians saw an opportunity to get more power and money and took it. When both sides of a two party system see an opportunity to increase their power across every level of government (local, state, federal) they take it and the voters don't have much say in the matter. It's one of the biggest flaws of a two party system.
dang 10y ago
> Welcome to America - we shoot first, ask questions later. Would you please not post grandiose political/national rhetoric to HN? It's unsubstantive and evokes worse. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14095966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14095966 and marked it off-topic.

by mtgx 10y ago

geomark 10y ago

If anything needs disrupting it's law enforcement. Been waiting for VC's to put out a call for startups that would try to do that.

lj3 10y ago
Privatized law enforcement. That has the ring of sanity to it.

krapp 10y ago

America has the police culture it has because the American people wanted it. We wanted aggression in the wake of 9/11 and the War on Drugs. We wanted police to come in, guns blazing, with zero tolerance and take down the evildoers. We voted for prisons and hard time and three strikes and zero tolerance policies in schools. Lawyers and judges run for office touting the number of people they sent to the death chamber, promise more death if elected and get elected. We can't overhaul law enforcement without overhauling American culture first.

thatcat 10y ago
>zero tolerence in schools, acceptable police aggression, war on drugs, expansion of post 911 power... These all seem like things that were lobbied for by police unions rather than the people electing the representatives enacting these policies.
lj3 10y ago
> America has the police culture it has because the American people wanted it. I disagree. This has been used as a rationale for all sorts of nasty things, like replacing American culture with a globalist culture that's going to be even worse. In any case, no matter what the news may tell you, the American people did not want this. The politicians saw an opportunity to get more power and money and took it. When both sides of a two party system see an opportunity to increase their power across every level of government (local, state, federal) they take it and the voters don't have much say in the matter. It's one of the biggest flaws of a two party system.

dang 10y ago

> Welcome to America - we shoot first, ask questions later. Would you please not post grandiose political/national rhetoric to HN? It's unsubstantive and evokes worse. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14095966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14095966 and marked it off-topic.