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Right. You can learn a lot of Javascript by breaking up old computers. This isn't an "education", its just slave labour.
by paulajohnson 10y ago
Right. You can learn a lot of Javascript by breaking up old computers.
This isn't an "education", its just slave labour.
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- narag 10y ago???? Computer skills are not only JavaScript.
- tonyedgecombe 10y agoDid you not read the Electron thread?
- metafunctor 10y agoHmm? Electron? What is that? Are all comment threads on HN now supposed to be correlated? I pick and choose. I read maybe 10% of what's on here.
- tonyedgecombe 10y agoWell it was meant to be humour, I guess it's wasted here.
- metafunctor 10y agoHumour is appreciated. I usually don't upvote humorous posts, unless they are exceedingly funny, because I don't want this site to turn into Reddit. But hey, go ahead and try to turn HN into Reddit if you guys feel that's where it needs to go. I feel we've already seen how useful a Reddit is to the world.
- nebabyte 10y ago> please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a common semi-noob illusion Either this thread (every time it comes up) needs to be curbed or the FAQ needs to be edited
- metafunctor 10y agoYeah, I've only been here like 8 years as a registered user. Mostly lurking, and clearly still a noob, hmm?
- nebabyte 10y ago> or the FAQ needs to be edited No matter how simple you try and keep a point, there will still always be someone who misses it. I used to think this was just an extension of the "trying to idiotproof/universe builds a better idiot" law, but at this point it could probably be a law of its own.
- sametmax 10y agoIt's a joke because we argued a lot in that thread about electron success despite the quality of it.
- metafunctor 10y agoI never figured HN is like Reddit, where inside jokes get you votes. I hope HN never goes there.
- omnimus 10y agoI hope it does.
- metafunctor 10y agoWhy? We already have one Reddit.
- sametmax 10y agoBecause people here are taking themselves too seriously. A bit of humor and subculture could ease them on. You can be an expert/millionaire/famouswhatever and enjoy something else than endless debates where people are trying to be technically correct and pessimistic to the bones. Maybe it's just me ?
- metafunctor 10y agoI enjoy being technically correct. I don't enjoy someone else's subculture and humour. I never feel like I fit in with those.
- sametmax 10y agoreplying to me instead of metafunctor cause we reached the limit of nesting for comments It's ok, there is place for all of us on HN. As long as comments are not mostly filled by either behavior, we can all enjoy the benefit of the intelligent and knowledgeable HN community.
- narag 10y agoDid you not read the Electron thread? No. Now, you or someone else could had explained why it was relevant or... oh wonder! point to it, so we can learn on our own. Or even enlighten us with the reason why some half assed misterious joke is mixed with what appears to be a denounce on slave labour. But don't worry, I absolutely love these flippant conversations if I'm allowed to bring my own non-sequiturs to the table. I just can't think of any right now :)
- thisacctforreal 10y agoI think if the program is opt-in, that a lot of the inmates could appreciate such a program. I know if I was in jail I'd like to partake in such a program, I could use more hands-on skills with electronics, and recycling is always a good cause :) Some jail programs can be really good, like the program for helping inmates adopt and care for a rescue dog. There was also a program at a jail here for repairing and donating broken toys. I think these kinds of wholesome efforts are very important to look for and support.
- celim307 10y agoThe problem is if someone besides the inmate is profiting off of the recycling. I would not feel bueno about that
- adrianN 10y agoWhat's a more likely job for a former inmate: Computer repair technician (rip out broken parts, put new parts in) or Javascript frontend engineer?
- Mandatum 10y agoTo be honest I think tech companies, startups especially will happily hire a good ex-con coder because they don't have to pay them as much.
- 2muchcoffeeman 10y agoDon't have to pay them as much??? If an ex-con manages to learn enough in prison to be a decent dev and land a job I hope they get paid the same as everyone else at their level.
- TeMPOraL 10y agoI'd hope for that too, but unfortunately, having an "ex-con" tag in your papers means at least that an employer has a strong argument against you at the negotiating table.
- mahmud 10y agoJS developer. It's a fairly low-skill job, taught widely, and demand for it far exceeds anything else related to PC support.
- sametmax 10y agoAnything dev. People in computing don't care that much about your background if you are skilled. You can even work remotely for/from companies in another country. And the good news is, good devs are rare, but the demand for them keep increasing. So if you become productive and reliable with a pinch of people skills, you are pretty much guarantied to have a job in the next 20 years. And probably a good one.
- i336_ 10y ago
- CalRobert 10y agoWhich, indeed, is legal in the US. " Amendment XIII Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. "
- Cthulhu_ 10y agoLegal and pushed for by the "prison industry", which has lobbyists in place to keep punishments high, tolerance low, and their low/no-wage workforce in place - whilst also getting paid by the government for housing inmates (and they send fines to government if the government doesn't meet their inmate quotas)
- LeifCarrotson 10y agoI was going to write that that amendment is from the Civil War, before the private prison complex could develop, lobby for, and become dependent on prison labor. But a bit of research showed that prisons were not exactly bastions of human rights in the good old days.
- rm_-rf_slash 10y agoYou can draw a straight line from the 13th Amendment to the private prisons of today. After all, the southern states whose economy was ruined by the Civil War had to get cheap labor somehow, so they arrested all those former slaves for random bullshit like loitering, had them convicted by all-white juries, and sent them to work in chain gangs. Netflix produced a great documentary about all of this - 13th - and it's well worth the watch.
- maxerickson 10y agoMost prison labor occurs at publicly owned and operated institutions. Simply because private prisons hold a small portion of the people incarcerated at a state or federal level.
- amarant 10y agobecause no computer skills that's not javascript are useful? clearly they learned how to assemble computer hardware, sounds like education to me...
- paulajohnson 10y agoI doubt they learned anything in prison; this is stuff they knew when they came in. Don't assume that everyone in prison is some kind of illiterate moron.
- rayiner 10y agoLearning JavaScript is the only "computer skill?" Assembling computers isn't a job?
- sesqu 9y agoAssembly is a job, but that job pays minimum wage. The skills required are trivial.