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Consider the following: If you pick up a newspaper or magazine, is it wrong to skip the ads? What about changing the TV channel or radio station while commercia

Consider the following: If you pick up a newspaper or magazine, is it wrong to skip the ads? What about changing the TV channel or radio station while commercials play?

paulcole 10y ago
I think it'd be wrong to hire a dude to clip out all the ads before I open the paper in the morning. I think it'd be wrong to mod my TV and car radio to change the channel when an ad starts playing.
- kaishiro 10y ago
  Do you also think it's wrong to change the channel when an ad starts playing on TV, or to turn the volume down when an ad starts playing on the radio?
  - paulcole 10y ago
    No. I also don't think it's wrong to navigate away from a website when it loads an ad I don't like.
    - kaishiro 10y ago
      But you eventually go back to the TV show, or turn the volume back up, having skipped the ads, no?
    - fmueller 10y ago
      According to your logic you are obliged to watch the ads on TV. Because by watching a film you made an agreement that watching the film is only free because you watch the ads.
- Crito 10y ago
  >it'd be wrong to hire a dude to clip out all the ads >hire Well I'm not paying for my adblocker. What if this dude volunteers? What if I'm doing it for my family members? This isn't a hypothetical.
- 59nadir 10y ago
  I don't know if you're doubling down because you just committed to this idea at some point and you just want to stand by it, or you're actually this bone-headed. You do realize that someone sees those ads if there's a guy taking out the ads of the paper, right?
  - sctb 10y ago
    Please don't post uncivilly and call names: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- JetSpiegel 10y ago
  Isn't this what clippings services provide? I don't see Obama (because Trump only watches TV) wasting his precious time reading the ads. He has people literally picking the wheat from the chaff.
- scrps 10y ago
  The TV and Radio ad argument falls a little flat when you consider people have left radio for competitively priced streaming music that is ad-free and people have left TV for competitively priced streaming movies and TV that are ad-free. Newspapers have just struggled to find and adopt a similar model, I hope they find it. The common thread is that we live in an advertising saturated world and a lot of people are tired of it. Drive down a street or highway... Ads, signage, billboards, Turn on a radio... Ads, Go online... Ads, Open a newspaper or magazine... Ads, Watch a movie... Product placements. I am waiting for them to print ads on the individual sheets of toilet paper on a roll. Some advertising is fine but when it ruins landscapes, deafens you as you watch TV or ruins a perfectly good site layout whilst tracking and eavesdropping on you then something is wrong.
  - clubm8 10y ago
    >The TV and Radio ad argument falls a little flat when you consider people have left radio for competitively priced streaming music that is ad-free and people have left TV for competitively priced streaming movies and TV that are ad-free. Not ad free - different types of ads. Services like Netflix have product placement. (Which troubles me a bit since while traditional ads were irritating, at least there was disclosure.)
    - scrps 10y ago
      Yeah, that is true with Netflix... It was a pre-coffee post so the gears weren't fully turning yet.
clubm8 10y ago
>Consider the following: If you pick up a newspaper or magazine, is it wrong to skip the ads? What about changing the TV channel or radio station while commercials play? Apparently when I take a piss during a commercial break, I'm not just voiding my bladdder... I'm breaking the social contract. Sorry, but if you put up a website, I can render it with whatever browser I please. Or alternatively, content providers can embrace a holistic view of their site - ads and all... just don't cry when someone tries to make a case that your malvertising is a CFAA violation :)

Consider the following: If you pick up a newspaper or magazine, is it wrong to skip the ads? What about changing the TV channel or radio station while commercials play?

paulcole 10y ago

I think it'd be wrong to hire a dude to clip out all the ads before I open the paper in the morning. I think it'd be wrong to mod my TV and car radio to change the channel when an ad starts playing.

kaishiro 10y ago
Do you also think it's wrong to change the channel when an ad starts playing on TV, or to turn the volume down when an ad starts playing on the radio?
- paulcole 10y ago
  No. I also don't think it's wrong to navigate away from a website when it loads an ad I don't like.
  - kaishiro 10y ago
    But you eventually go back to the TV show, or turn the volume back up, having skipped the ads, no?
  - fmueller 10y ago
    According to your logic you are obliged to watch the ads on TV. Because by watching a film you made an agreement that watching the film is only free because you watch the ads.
Crito 10y ago
>it'd be wrong to hire a dude to clip out all the ads >hire Well I'm not paying for my adblocker. What if this dude volunteers? What if I'm doing it for my family members? This isn't a hypothetical.
59nadir 10y ago
I don't know if you're doubling down because you just committed to this idea at some point and you just want to stand by it, or you're actually this bone-headed. You do realize that someone sees those ads if there's a guy taking out the ads of the paper, right?
- sctb 10y ago
  Please don't post uncivilly and call names: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
JetSpiegel 10y ago
Isn't this what clippings services provide? I don't see Obama (because Trump only watches TV) wasting his precious time reading the ads. He has people literally picking the wheat from the chaff.
scrps 10y ago
The TV and Radio ad argument falls a little flat when you consider people have left radio for competitively priced streaming music that is ad-free and people have left TV for competitively priced streaming movies and TV that are ad-free. Newspapers have just struggled to find and adopt a similar model, I hope they find it. The common thread is that we live in an advertising saturated world and a lot of people are tired of it. Drive down a street or highway... Ads, signage, billboards, Turn on a radio... Ads, Go online... Ads, Open a newspaper or magazine... Ads, Watch a movie... Product placements. I am waiting for them to print ads on the individual sheets of toilet paper on a roll. Some advertising is fine but when it ruins landscapes, deafens you as you watch TV or ruins a perfectly good site layout whilst tracking and eavesdropping on you then something is wrong.
- clubm8 10y ago
  >The TV and Radio ad argument falls a little flat when you consider people have left radio for competitively priced streaming music that is ad-free and people have left TV for competitively priced streaming movies and TV that are ad-free. Not ad free - different types of ads. Services like Netflix have product placement. (Which troubles me a bit since while traditional ads were irritating, at least there was disclosure.)
  - scrps 10y ago
    Yeah, that is true with Netflix... It was a pre-coffee post so the gears weren't fully turning yet.

clubm8 10y ago

>Consider the following: If you pick up a newspaper or magazine, is it wrong to skip the ads? What about changing the TV channel or radio station while commercials play? Apparently when I take a piss during a commercial break, I'm not just voiding my bladdder... I'm breaking the social contract. Sorry, but if you put up a website, I can render it with whatever browser I please. Or alternatively, content providers can embrace a holistic view of their site - ads and all... just don't cry when someone tries to make a case that your malvertising is a CFAA violation :)