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I don't think anyone is seriously doubting your legal right to block ads. > If it is not sustainable, new business models will be invented. If the ad blocking

by eli 10y ago

I don't think anyone is seriously doubting your legal right to block ads. > If it is not sustainable, new business models will be invented. If the ad blocking becomes so widespread that the ad-supported model becomes unsustainable, I think a lot of people will be unhappy with what happens next. There will be a lot more paywalls and a lot more native advertising, which will be fine for entrenched players but much harder for very small publishers to pull off. The cool thing about AdWords was you could write a little blog and actually make a few dollars running ads on it just by adding a snippet of code. Maybe micropayments can take care of that some day?

killjoywashere 10y ago
> Maybe micropayments can take care of that some day? Seriously, where's the Spotify of blogs?
- ams6110 10y ago
  Everyone needs to aggressively block ads so that there's more motivation to develop better monitization approaches.
  - eli 10y ago
    Careful what you wish for. I bet the Verizons and Comcasts of the world have some ideas for monetizing web content. Buy the "sports package" and you get ESPN on your TV and access to sports blogs on the web.
    - davidgerard 10y ago
      It's entirely unclear that will be affected by adblocking, however - they would do this anyway if they thought they could.
      - eli 10y ago
        If ad-supported blogs are a viable alternative, then there were always be ad-supported blogs. If it isn't, well, some of them will probably go on with tip jars. But some won't.
- pocketstar 10y ago
  http://www.inkl.com/ http://www.inkl.com/
- chubot 10y ago
  I'm not sure Spotify is something to aim for. My understanding is that payments to musicians are pitiful. It might be the best we can do, given that the price of information has plummeted, but I hope something better comes along.
- eli 10y ago
  People have been searching for the "iTunes of news" for over a decade. Guess it's a hard problem. Also, at the end of the day, I think a lot of people would prefer ads over paying for content directly. What percentage of Spotify users are on the free plan dispite it's disruptive ads?
- herbst 10y ago
  Didn't medium launch something like this recently?
zipwitch 10y ago
Do not underestimate the American corporation's ability to believe they have a right to a profitable business model. This is a nation where municipalities are regularly stopped from building their own broadband.
- deleted 10y ago
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jessaustin 10y ago
The cool thing about AdWords... ...is that a competing business down the road from mine has decided to spend $20/click for my business name, so now I have to spend much more than that in order for customers who already want to make an appointment with me to be able to call my phone number consistently. Google are complete gangster at this point... "nice business you have there."
- logfromblammo 10y ago
  Or you could hire an IP attorney to file a trademark infringement suit against that competing business? How is that not intentionally causing marketplace confusion? Also, if you roll over and pay Google, you are damaging your ability to defend your own business name as a trademark. Trademarks are lost if you don't defend them. Talk to a real lawyer, ASAP.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    Do you mean to say that Chevrolet has never bought the AdWords phrase "Chevrolet"? I would be shocked to learn that. We've considered seeking legal counsel. Part of the problem is that the two primary words of the business name are a generic service offered by this type of business (40 years ago SEO was not a big consideration). Also very few of our customers take the care to quote the two-word phrase, so their queries could plausibly be sent to the competitor which offers that service as well. This competitor has itself recently added the name of yet another lucrative related service to its name, presumably as an SEO measure. That said, I'd be very eager to see any more advice you might have, or any links to resources you think might be helpful to us.
    - logfromblammo 10y ago
      Ah. I was assuming that it was a situation like Ford buying AdWords for "Chevrolet". If it is more like Speedy Plumbing buying AdWords for "snake" and "plumbing" when your business is named Snake Plumbing, then I don't think you have much of a trademark case there. In that case, businesses exist that can help your business search for and monitor more defensible trademarks. If you are truly hurt by competitors buying AdWords, you really should thrust your hand into the fire and suffer the pain of rebranding now, because it's only going to get worse the longer you wait. Switching from "Snake Plumbing" to "Jessaustin Pipewranglers" would hurt temporarily as you trained your existing customer base to use the new name, but uncommon or newly coined words are so much more defensible.

by eli 10y ago

killjoywashere 10y ago

> Maybe micropayments can take care of that some day? Seriously, where's the Spotify of blogs?

ams6110 10y ago
Everyone needs to aggressively block ads so that there's more motivation to develop better monitization approaches.
- eli 10y ago
  Careful what you wish for. I bet the Verizons and Comcasts of the world have some ideas for monetizing web content. Buy the "sports package" and you get ESPN on your TV and access to sports blogs on the web.
  - davidgerard 10y ago
    It's entirely unclear that will be affected by adblocking, however - they would do this anyway if they thought they could.
    - eli 10y ago
      If ad-supported blogs are a viable alternative, then there were always be ad-supported blogs. If it isn't, well, some of them will probably go on with tip jars. But some won't.
pocketstar 10y ago
http://www.inkl.com/ http://www.inkl.com/
chubot 10y ago
I'm not sure Spotify is something to aim for. My understanding is that payments to musicians are pitiful. It might be the best we can do, given that the price of information has plummeted, but I hope something better comes along.
eli 10y ago
People have been searching for the "iTunes of news" for over a decade. Guess it's a hard problem. Also, at the end of the day, I think a lot of people would prefer ads over paying for content directly. What percentage of Spotify users are on the free plan dispite it's disruptive ads?
herbst 10y ago
Didn't medium launch something like this recently?

zipwitch 10y ago

Do not underestimate the American corporation's ability to believe they have a right to a profitable business model. This is a nation where municipalities are regularly stopped from building their own broadband.

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jessaustin 10y ago

The cool thing about AdWords... ...is that a competing business down the road from mine has decided to spend $20/click for my business name, so now I have to spend much more than that in order for customers who already want to make an appointment with me to be able to call my phone number consistently. Google are complete gangster at this point... "nice business you have there."

logfromblammo 10y ago
Or you could hire an IP attorney to file a trademark infringement suit against that competing business? How is that not intentionally causing marketplace confusion? Also, if you roll over and pay Google, you are damaging your ability to defend your own business name as a trademark. Trademarks are lost if you don't defend them. Talk to a real lawyer, ASAP.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  Do you mean to say that Chevrolet has never bought the AdWords phrase "Chevrolet"? I would be shocked to learn that. We've considered seeking legal counsel. Part of the problem is that the two primary words of the business name are a generic service offered by this type of business (40 years ago SEO was not a big consideration). Also very few of our customers take the care to quote the two-word phrase, so their queries could plausibly be sent to the competitor which offers that service as well. This competitor has itself recently added the name of yet another lucrative related service to its name, presumably as an SEO measure. That said, I'd be very eager to see any more advice you might have, or any links to resources you think might be helpful to us.
  - logfromblammo 10y ago
    Ah. I was assuming that it was a situation like Ford buying AdWords for "Chevrolet". If it is more like Speedy Plumbing buying AdWords for "snake" and "plumbing" when your business is named Snake Plumbing, then I don't think you have much of a trademark case there. In that case, businesses exist that can help your business search for and monitor more defensible trademarks. If you are truly hurt by competitors buying AdWords, you really should thrust your hand into the fire and suffer the pain of rebranding now, because it's only going to get worse the longer you wait. Switching from "Snake Plumbing" to "Jessaustin Pipewranglers" would hurt temporarily as you trained your existing customer base to use the new name, but uncommon or newly coined words are so much more defensible.