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Could you help me understand what evidence would indicate to you that there was a systemic problem at Uber?

by tomlock 10y ago

ImSkeptical 10y ago
Good evidence might be that sexual harassment is happening more frequently at uber, that uber is missing processes to deter or detect sexual harassment, or that employees feel subject to harassment moreso than at other companies. The metrics I'd like to look at would be harassment complaints, harassment claims on anonymous survey for witnessing, being a victim of, or participating in harassing behavior, and reports from HR outlining frequency of complaints and the results of those complaints. If you could compare these metrics to industry standards I think you could make a credible case one way or the other. Eg Uber employees report harassment more frequently on anonymous surveys than to HR. This suggests Uber culture does not sufficiently encourage reporting harassment. Or, uber HR rejects sexual harassment claims more frequently than similar companies, suggesting they have problems investigating such complaints, etc. I also found the story of sexual harassment at uber believable and outrageous, but that doesn't mean it's a systemic problem.
- tomlock 10y ago
  Are those metrics typically released by companies?
  - ImSkeptical 10y ago
    Not that I'm aware of, although I've never looked. I was trying to respond to the question of what could indicate systemic sexual harassment problems.
- piva00 10y ago
  So basically you want a peer-reviewed scientific paper coming out of Uber exploring their culture specifically about sexual harassment? What kind of world do you live in? Because the real world doesn't provide you any of these metrics or statistics so you will very likely never see this kind of "proof" coming out from any workplace that's been accused of not fighting against sexual harassment. Science is beautiful but there are places where you can't gather the data to do it, this is probably one of these cases.
  - ImSkeptical 10y ago
    If you can't gather the data, I'd suggest you shouldn't assert the conclusion. In this instance, is Uber a systemically bad company for sexual harassment? I haven't seen the data to suggest so. One woman reporting sexual harassment is bad, of course, but it isn't conclusive on the question of systemic sexual harassment.
  - macspoofing 10y ago
    >So basically you want a peer-reviewed scientific paper coming out of Uber exploring their culture specifically about sexual harassment? How about more evidence than the anecdotal experience of one person. Like I said - she seems credible, but it is only one side of the story and one singular instance. >Science is beautiful but there are places where you can't gather the data to do it, this is probably one of these cases. So the alternative is you just make up your own conclusion?

Could you help me understand what evidence would indicate to you that there was a systemic problem at Uber?

by tomlock 10y ago

Could you help me understand what evidence would indicate to you that there was a systemic problem at Uber?

Good evidence might be that sexual harassment is happening more frequently at uber, that uber is missing processes to deter or detect sexual harassment, or that employees feel subject to harassment moreso than at other companies. The metrics I'd like to look at would be harassment complaints, harassment claims on anonymous survey for witnessing, being a victim of, or participating in harassing behavior, and reports from HR outlining frequency of complaints and the results of those complaints. If you could compare these metrics to industry standards I think you could make a credible case one way or the other. Eg Uber employees report harassment more frequently on anonymous surveys than to HR. This suggests Uber culture does not sufficiently encourage reporting harassment. Or, uber HR rejects sexual harassment claims more frequently than similar companies, suggesting they have problems investigating such complaints, etc. I also found the story of sexual harassment at uber believable and outrageous, but that doesn't mean it's a systemic problem.

tomlock 10y ago
Are those metrics typically released by companies?
- ImSkeptical 10y ago
  Not that I'm aware of, although I've never looked. I was trying to respond to the question of what could indicate systemic sexual harassment problems.
piva00 10y ago
So basically you want a peer-reviewed scientific paper coming out of Uber exploring their culture specifically about sexual harassment? What kind of world do you live in? Because the real world doesn't provide you any of these metrics or statistics so you will very likely never see this kind of "proof" coming out from any workplace that's been accused of not fighting against sexual harassment. Science is beautiful but there are places where you can't gather the data to do it, this is probably one of these cases.
- ImSkeptical 10y ago
  If you can't gather the data, I'd suggest you shouldn't assert the conclusion. In this instance, is Uber a systemically bad company for sexual harassment? I haven't seen the data to suggest so. One woman reporting sexual harassment is bad, of course, but it isn't conclusive on the question of systemic sexual harassment.
- macspoofing 10y ago
  >So basically you want a peer-reviewed scientific paper coming out of Uber exploring their culture specifically about sexual harassment? How about more evidence than the anecdotal experience of one person. Like I said - she seems credible, but it is only one side of the story and one singular instance. >Science is beautiful but there are places where you can't gather the data to do it, this is probably one of these cases. So the alternative is you just make up your own conclusion?