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I have a mother and a sister and a wife and a daughter. OF COURSE I want companies like Uber to burn when sexual harassment is a standard practice and "bosses"

I have a mother and a sister and a wife and a daughter. OF COURSE I want companies like Uber to burn when sexual harassment is a standard practice and "bosses" either look the other way or chip in.

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FabHK 10y ago
Good sentiment, but just want to highlight that one ought to be against sexual harassment even when one doesn't have a sister or wife or daughter, just as one ought to be against racism or sexual discrimination even if one doesn't have people of other races or sexual orientations in the immediate family.
- idbehold 10y ago
  Everyone's got a mother. But I agree with the sentiment.
- nebabyte 10y ago
  "First they came for..." etc
macspoofing 10y ago
Standard practice? That's a big claim substantiated by nothing. Uber has thousands of employees, the ancedontal account that came out looked credible but there's nothing that says it is pervasive. Does Uber even skew from the mean when it comes to harrassment compared to other tech companies or companies in general? It looks to me that people are piling on, just because.
- mustacheemperor 10y ago
  >the ancedontal account that came out looked credible but there's nothing that says it is pervasive Other than the fact that corporate HR "investigated" the literal screenshots of Susan being sexually propositioned by her supervisor the day she joined the company and determined there was nothing wrong, right? I sure fucking hope that skews form the mean when it comes to harassment. Your words are chosen so carefully. "Anecdotal...looked credible..." The same words I'm sure HR had in their oops-we-got-caught presentation for Travis.
  - macspoofing 10y ago
    >Your words are chosen so carefully If they look carefully chosen it's because I'm trying to keep an objective perspective on this. Susan's account looks credible, and as far as I can tell Uber messed up, but how do you extrapolate that to a systemic problem? This whole thing looks like a typical internet pile-up. Uber screwed up in a specific instance, and now everybody wants to take a free hit. >I sure fucking hope that skews form the mean when it comes to harassment. Well does it? Out of the countless shrill blog posts and news articles on this, did anybody investigate if this is really a systemic problem at Uber?
    - tomlock 10y ago
      Could you help me understand what evidence would indicate to you that there was a systemic problem at Uber?
      - ImSkeptical 10y ago
        Good evidence might be that sexual harassment is happening more frequently at uber, that uber is missing processes to deter or detect sexual harassment, or that employees feel subject to harassment moreso than at other companies. The metrics I'd like to look at would be harassment complaints, harassment claims on anonymous survey for witnessing, being a victim of, or participating in harassing behavior, and reports from HR outlining frequency of complaints and the results of those complaints. If you could compare these metrics to industry standards I think you could make a credible case one way or the other. Eg Uber employees report harassment more frequently on anonymous surveys than to HR. This suggests Uber culture does not sufficiently encourage reporting harassment. Or, uber HR rejects sexual harassment claims more frequently than similar companies, suggesting they have problems investigating such complaints, etc. I also found the story of sexual harassment at uber believable and outrageous, but that doesn't mean it's a systemic problem.
        tomlock 10y ago
        Are those metrics typically released by companies?
- enjo 10y ago
  It does seem pretty entrenched at the very least. This exchange was pretty damn eye-opening: https://twitter.com/kamilah/status/844652422358228992 https://twitter.com/kamilah/status/844652422358228992
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- karlmdavis 10y ago
  > but there's nothing that says it is pervasive Untrue. There are many, many accounts from current and former employees that say it is pervasive. That is far from "nothing."
mrits 10y ago
Your wife, mother, or sister could depend on their job at Uber. Some of them might have picked up their whole family and moved across the country to work there. Your reasoning is ignorant and I'm happy it is just the vocal minority that want a company to burn down because of mistakes in their leadership.

I have a mother and a sister and a wife and a daughter. OF COURSE I want companies like Uber to burn when sexual harassment is a standard practice and "bosses" either look the other way or chip in.

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FabHK 10y ago

Good sentiment, but just want to highlight that one ought to be against sexual harassment even when one doesn't have a sister or wife or daughter, just as one ought to be against racism or sexual discrimination even if one doesn't have people of other races or sexual orientations in the immediate family.

idbehold 10y ago
Everyone's got a mother. But I agree with the sentiment.
nebabyte 10y ago
"First they came for..." etc

macspoofing 10y ago

Standard practice? That's a big claim substantiated by nothing. Uber has thousands of employees, the ancedontal account that came out looked credible but there's nothing that says it is pervasive. Does Uber even skew from the mean when it comes to harrassment compared to other tech companies or companies in general? It looks to me that people are piling on, just because.

mustacheemperor 10y ago
>the ancedontal account that came out looked credible but there's nothing that says it is pervasive Other than the fact that corporate HR "investigated" the literal screenshots of Susan being sexually propositioned by her supervisor the day she joined the company and determined there was nothing wrong, right? I sure fucking hope that skews form the mean when it comes to harassment. Your words are chosen so carefully. "Anecdotal...looked credible..." The same words I'm sure HR had in their oops-we-got-caught presentation for Travis.
- macspoofing 10y ago
  >Your words are chosen so carefully If they look carefully chosen it's because I'm trying to keep an objective perspective on this. Susan's account looks credible, and as far as I can tell Uber messed up, but how do you extrapolate that to a systemic problem? This whole thing looks like a typical internet pile-up. Uber screwed up in a specific instance, and now everybody wants to take a free hit. >I sure fucking hope that skews form the mean when it comes to harassment. Well does it? Out of the countless shrill blog posts and news articles on this, did anybody investigate if this is really a systemic problem at Uber?
  - tomlock 10y ago
    Could you help me understand what evidence would indicate to you that there was a systemic problem at Uber?
    - ImSkeptical 10y ago
      Good evidence might be that sexual harassment is happening more frequently at uber, that uber is missing processes to deter or detect sexual harassment, or that employees feel subject to harassment moreso than at other companies. The metrics I'd like to look at would be harassment complaints, harassment claims on anonymous survey for witnessing, being a victim of, or participating in harassing behavior, and reports from HR outlining frequency of complaints and the results of those complaints. If you could compare these metrics to industry standards I think you could make a credible case one way or the other. Eg Uber employees report harassment more frequently on anonymous surveys than to HR. This suggests Uber culture does not sufficiently encourage reporting harassment. Or, uber HR rejects sexual harassment claims more frequently than similar companies, suggesting they have problems investigating such complaints, etc. I also found the story of sexual harassment at uber believable and outrageous, but that doesn't mean it's a systemic problem.
      - tomlock 10y ago
        Are those metrics typically released by companies?
enjo 10y ago
It does seem pretty entrenched at the very least. This exchange was pretty damn eye-opening: https://twitter.com/kamilah/status/844652422358228992 https://twitter.com/kamilah/status/844652422358228992
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karlmdavis 10y ago
> but there's nothing that says it is pervasive Untrue. There are many, many accounts from current and former employees that say it is pervasive. That is far from "nothing."

mrits 10y ago

Your wife, mother, or sister could depend on their job at Uber. Some of them might have picked up their whole family and moved across the country to work there. Your reasoning is ignorant and I'm happy it is just the vocal minority that want a company to burn down because of mistakes in their leadership.