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I love how this was upvoted #1 in 11 minutes with no comments. Clearly many people just want to watch uber burn.
by chejazi 10y ago
I love how this was upvoted #1 in 11 minutes with no comments. Clearly many people just want to watch uber burn.
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- HenryBemis 10y agoI have a mother and a sister and a wife and a daughter. OF COURSE I want companies like Uber to burn when sexual harassment is a standard practice and "bosses" either look the other way or chip in.
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- FabHK 10y agoGood sentiment, but just want to highlight that one ought to be against sexual harassment even when one doesn't have a sister or wife or daughter, just as one ought to be against racism or sexual discrimination even if one doesn't have people of other races or sexual orientations in the immediate family.
- macspoofing 10y agoStandard practice? That's a big claim substantiated by nothing. Uber has thousands of employees, the ancedontal account that came out looked credible but there's nothing that says it is pervasive. Does Uber even skew from the mean when it comes to harrassment compared to other tech companies or companies in general? It looks to me that people are piling on, just because.
- mustacheemperor 10y ago>the ancedontal account that came out looked credible but there's nothing that says it is pervasive Other than the fact that corporate HR "investigated" the literal screenshots of Susan being sexually propositioned by her supervisor the day she joined the company and determined there was nothing wrong, right? I sure fucking hope that skews form the mean when it comes to harassment. Your words are chosen so carefully. "Anecdotal...looked credible..." The same words I'm sure HR had in their oops-we-got-caught presentation for Travis.
- macspoofing 10y ago>Your words are chosen so carefully If they look carefully chosen it's because I'm trying to keep an objective perspective on this. Susan's account looks credible, and as far as I can tell Uber messed up, but how do you extrapolate that to a systemic problem? This whole thing looks like a typical internet pile-up. Uber screwed up in a specific instance, and now everybody wants to take a free hit. >I sure fucking hope that skews form the mean when it comes to harassment. Well does it? Out of the countless shrill blog posts and news articles on this, did anybody investigate if this is really a systemic problem at Uber?
- tomlock 10y agoCould you help me understand what evidence would indicate to you that there was a systemic problem at Uber?
- ImSkeptical 10y agoGood evidence might be that sexual harassment is happening more frequently at uber, that uber is missing processes to deter or detect sexual harassment, or that employees feel subject to harassment moreso than at other companies. The metrics I'd like to look at would be harassment complaints, harassment claims on anonymous survey for witnessing, being a victim of, or participating in harassing behavior, and reports from HR outlining frequency of complaints and the results of those complaints. If you could compare these metrics to industry standards I think you could make a credible case one way or the other. Eg Uber employees report harassment more frequently on anonymous surveys than to HR. This suggests Uber culture does not sufficiently encourage reporting harassment. Or, uber HR rejects sexual harassment claims more frequently than similar companies, suggesting they have problems investigating such complaints, etc. I also found the story of sexual harassment at uber believable and outrageous, but that doesn't mean it's a systemic problem.
- mrits 10y agoYour wife, mother, or sister could depend on their job at Uber. Some of them might have picked up their whole family and moved across the country to work there. Your reasoning is ignorant and I'm happy it is just the vocal minority that want a company to burn down because of mistakes in their leadership.
- jobu 10y agoPeople tend to hate companies that behave badly.
- paul7986 10y agoRun by frats bros who are blind to their luck and lack all humility. Who treat everyone whose not their bro like trash including customers, employees, contracted workers, other tech companies, etc... Those who loathe Uber can only wish to witness Kalanick learn humility by holding only the ashes of Uber he ignited and then burned!
- enahs-sf 10y agoI love a good self-driving car tire fire.
- puzzle 10y agoMaybe? It's also significant that Rachel had to handle a lot of huge fires while at Google, all over the globe: China, the Street View Wi-Fi incident, the European reception of privacy policy changes, the Books lawsuits, antitrust actions and a lot more. Yet, she couldn't survive two years at Uber.
- dba7dba 10y agoNone of the Google PR issues were result of a CEO straight up acting like you know what... So no comparison there.
- fratlas 10y ago.
- amaks 10y agoWhat about Lyft, Didi Chuxing, etc. etc.?
- richforrester 10y agoHN consists of mostly humans. Unfortunately, even the smartest and most unbiased ones amongst us aren't entirely immune to sensationalism, so some of us might have voted for reasons other than hate. Human nature! .edit: down-vote city for calling HNers human? Or what? Just curious. Don't really care about the points. .edit²: removed a bit of the blanket from that statement. Pardon the initial poor wording!
- fooker 10y agoYou might not be aware, but a substantial portion of HN readers are robots from the future. Calling them 'mostly human' is somewhat insulting.
- AstroChimpHam 10y agoPeople downvoted you because you're saying they want Uber to burn due to sensationalism and not because it's a genuinely bad company. It sounds condescending and probably pissed people off.
- richforrester 10y agoFair enough, I'll remove a bit of the blanket from that statement. Thanks for the answer!
- AstroChimpHam 10y agosure :)
- btym 10y agoAs long as Kalanick is still there, it can burn.
- r00fus 10y agoNothing more fascinating than a slow train wreck. Of course, maybe there's a lot of interest because of seemingly irrationality of management in handling this situation?
- sidlls 10y agoI don't know about "wanting" anything like that, but it's a pretty sad statement about our society that Kalanick is going to walk away from this basically without any real negative consequences. The fact that he isn't already gone is terrible, in my opinion.
- rectang 10y agoKalanick will end up money ahead, just like the Wells Fargo execs.
- fernly 10y agoUm, "In total, the bank has fired five senior retail bank executives, including Tolstedt, over the scandal and has imposed forfeitures, clawbacks and compensation adjustments on senior leaders totaling more than $180 million, including $69 million from Stumpf and $67 million from Tolstedt." [1] http://fortune.com/2017/04/10/wells-fargo-clawback-stumpf-tolstedt/ http://fortune.com/2017/04/10/wells-fargo-clawback-stumpf-to...
- rectang 10y agohttp://fortune.com/2017/04/10/wells-fargo-carrie-tolstedt-clawback-net-worth-fortune-mpw/ http://fortune.com/2017/04/10/wells-fargo-carrie-tolstedt-cl... "Tolstedt, on the other hand, is losing 54% of the $125 million pay package she was originally entitled to when she retired." How savage! Cutting Tolstedt's pay to several tens of millions of dollars.
- TeMPOraL 10y agoYes, I do want to watch Uber burn. I've been waiting for that many years now. The whole sexual harassment is frankly just a tip of the iceberg with them, and not particularly the important one. Breaking laws and abusing people is their business model, and this needs to stop.