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You do understand that 750 calories/serving is a ton, right? I guess I can see the appeal if you like don't really care about money and can't go to the grocery

by muninn_ 10y ago

You do understand that 750 calories/serving is a ton, right? I guess I can see the appeal if you like don't really care about money and can't go to the grocery store and buy some ingredients on your own? If I'm thinking of cooking for dinner, then I just go online and look around for some recipes and walk over to the store and grab something, or plan a day ahead and buy stuff for a couple of days ahead of time at 1/5th the cost and where I can better control for caloric intake. And I mis-typed the quesadilla/shallot etc... I was thinking of the meal package as a whole. Adding that amount of sugar is not healthy anyway.

criley2 10y ago
I guess 750kcal is a ton for small people or people whose diet strongly deviates from a standard diet. For a standard human near a 2000kcal/day diet, 500-500-1000, 400-1000-600, 1000-600-400, are all normal and healthy meal breakdowns depending on which meal of the day a person goes bigger on. For someone who has a standard large lunch or large dinner, 750kcal is NO WHERE NEAR "a ton" but is rather an extremely healthy meal when we look at the breakdown of ingredients and their nutrients. Of course, the only portion control that truly matters is PERSONAL. If 750kcal is too much for you personally, it's your own responsibility to eat half of that meal and save the other half for a future meal. There, it's only 375kcal and twice the servings! "then I just go online and look around for some recipes and walk over to the store and grab something, or plan a day ahead and buy stuff for a couple of days ahead of time at 1/5th the cost and where I can better control for caloric intake." That's what we all did before Blue Apron. Then in 2 months of Blue Apron we'd tried dozens of new ingredients and cooking methods we'd never thought to try, that we'd never have picked off the internet, that our favorite food bloggers never wrote about, that our local grocery store never stocked. I admit the cost is very large and not a long term solution, but as an educational tool I have not found anything which gets remotely close to Blue Apron. And I love food bloggers, food Youtube, trendy cookbooks, and yet I still learn something new from every Blue Apron that I incorporate into my future diet plans. Plus, it's convenient to get perfectly portioned amounts of rare and expensive ingredients. If you have to shell out $15 for $2 worth of an ingredient -- you're not going to make that meal ever. Plus, some of the ingredients they send me are not found at local grocery stores and require planning and tripping to massive farmers markets and buying in large bulk. EDIT: https://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/usda_food_patterns/EstimatedCalorieNeedsPerDayTable.pdf https://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/usda_food_patt... Men 20-30 should be around 2000-2600 kcal a day on average depending on activity, and women should be 1600-2000 depending on activity on average. So perhaps women should consider eating only ~75% of a portion and giving their extra to a man, who could consider eating ~125% of a portion, to ensure that kcal goals for differing bodies are still met.
- muninn_ 10y ago
  The standard 2000kcal diet is not realistic, and the standard 3 square meals/day narrative is not either. Both are nonsense suggestions. Yes the FDA publishes them. These are general guidelines that you should not be following if you actually want to be fit and healthy. If you want to become fat, you could follow these sure. > For someone who has a standard large lunch or large dinner, 750kcal is NO WHERE NEAR "a ton" but is rather an extremely healthy meal when we look at the breakdown of ingredients and their nutrients. No. Looking at the ingredients for many of these meals does not tell you much. Well, except in some cases where you are eating a pound of cheese over two meals. That should be telling you a lot. >Then in 2 months of Blue Apron we'd tried dozens of new ingredients and cooking methods we'd never thought to try ... And I love food bloggers, food Youtube, trendy cookbooks These are contradictory, or your sources here are the fault of your own poor research. > If you have to shell out $15 for $2 worth of an ingredient...massive farmers markets and buying in large bulk Why would you do any of that? Do you not have grocery stores? Even generic big box grocery stores carry everything that I've seen. And why would you go to a farmer's market? You don't actually think that the food you're getting from Blue Apron is like, fresh food from independent farmers do you?
  - nickpeterson 10y ago
    People are clueless about nutrition. I try to get the word out, but the powerful bread lobby keeps blocking my research.
  - jack_pp 10y ago
    2000 kcal may not be realistic for short females who want to stay thin but it's certainly realistic for the average population.
    - muninn_ 10y ago
      Keyword is average. It's a general guideline that should not be followed if you have any interest in nutrition. Just as it's not good for short females who want to stay thin (who doesn't want to stay thin?) it's not a good line for men who are 6'5'' 260lbs.
barrkel 10y ago
I eat twice a day. 750x2 wouldn't meet my daily requirements.
- antisthenes 10y ago
  The person you're replying to has been known to post nonsense in threads related to nutrition.
  - muninn_ 10y ago
    Uh, no?
mbrameld 10y ago
1 tablespoon of sugar is dissolved in water that shallots are soaked in. The water is drained and only the shallots are used. The water that was drained contains most of the sugar. Do you actually believe that the amount of sugar left in the shallots after soaking in water with 1 tablespoon of sugar dissolved in it for 10 minutes is unhealthy?
askafriend 10y ago
750 calories a serving is not that much, especially for dinner and if you're generally active throughout the day. I need the calories to play sports, run, lift weights or otherwise be active. I can rip through 1,000 calories pretty easily after playing a sport. If you don't need 750 calories, that's fine, just save a portion of the dish to eat later.
- muninn_ 10y ago
  It's quite a bit and most people aren't active. You could probably do 1,000 calories if you played intense basketball or soccer for an hour, but not much else. Running yes sure, but again that one 750 calorie meal for around an hour of exercise, even running or lifting weights, would at most put you back to a state of "I haven't consumed calories today" aside from your metabolic rate. So then you have to eat for the little things you do, say, walk to work, or sharpen pencils or whatever, plus your metabolic rate. That's most likely not this "generic 2,000 calorie diet" but something above or below that. I've seen some comments about "well it's not much if you just spread out your calories by eating 750-250-1000" or whatever, but that's nonsense. You don't justify eating a large cheese pizza once/day because it's 2,000 calories and call yourself healthy. I mean, after all you did a 0-0-2000 split and hey that's under 2000!

by muninn_ 10y ago

criley2 10y ago

I guess 750kcal is a ton for small people or people whose diet strongly deviates from a standard diet. For a standard human near a 2000kcal/day diet, 500-500-1000, 400-1000-600, 1000-600-400, are all normal and healthy meal breakdowns depending on which meal of the day a person goes bigger on. For someone who has a standard large lunch or large dinner, 750kcal is NO WHERE NEAR "a ton" but is rather an extremely healthy meal when we look at the breakdown of ingredients and their nutrients. Of course, the only portion control that truly matters is PERSONAL. If 750kcal is too much for you personally, it's your own responsibility to eat half of that meal and save the other half for a future meal. There, it's only 375kcal and twice the servings! "then I just go online and look around for some recipes and walk over to the store and grab something, or plan a day ahead and buy stuff for a couple of days ahead of time at 1/5th the cost and where I can better control for caloric intake." That's what we all did before Blue Apron. Then in 2 months of Blue Apron we'd tried dozens of new ingredients and cooking methods we'd never thought to try, that we'd never have picked off the internet, that our favorite food bloggers never wrote about, that our local grocery store never stocked. I admit the cost is very large and not a long term solution, but as an educational tool I have not found anything which gets remotely close to Blue Apron. And I love food bloggers, food Youtube, trendy cookbooks, and yet I still learn something new from every Blue Apron that I incorporate into my future diet plans. Plus, it's convenient to get perfectly portioned amounts of rare and expensive ingredients. If you have to shell out $15 for $2 worth of an ingredient -- you're not going to make that meal ever. Plus, some of the ingredients they send me are not found at local grocery stores and require planning and tripping to massive farmers markets and buying in large bulk. EDIT: https://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/usda_food_patterns/EstimatedCalorieNeedsPerDayTable.pdf https://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/usda_food_patt... Men 20-30 should be around 2000-2600 kcal a day on average depending on activity, and women should be 1600-2000 depending on activity on average. So perhaps women should consider eating only ~75% of a portion and giving their extra to a man, who could consider eating ~125% of a portion, to ensure that kcal goals for differing bodies are still met.

muninn_ 10y ago
The standard 2000kcal diet is not realistic, and the standard 3 square meals/day narrative is not either. Both are nonsense suggestions. Yes the FDA publishes them. These are general guidelines that you should not be following if you actually want to be fit and healthy. If you want to become fat, you could follow these sure. > For someone who has a standard large lunch or large dinner, 750kcal is NO WHERE NEAR "a ton" but is rather an extremely healthy meal when we look at the breakdown of ingredients and their nutrients. No. Looking at the ingredients for many of these meals does not tell you much. Well, except in some cases where you are eating a pound of cheese over two meals. That should be telling you a lot. >Then in 2 months of Blue Apron we'd tried dozens of new ingredients and cooking methods we'd never thought to try ... And I love food bloggers, food Youtube, trendy cookbooks These are contradictory, or your sources here are the fault of your own poor research. > If you have to shell out $15 for $2 worth of an ingredient...massive farmers markets and buying in large bulk Why would you do any of that? Do you not have grocery stores? Even generic big box grocery stores carry everything that I've seen. And why would you go to a farmer's market? You don't actually think that the food you're getting from Blue Apron is like, fresh food from independent farmers do you?
- nickpeterson 10y ago
  People are clueless about nutrition. I try to get the word out, but the powerful bread lobby keeps blocking my research.
- jack_pp 10y ago
  2000 kcal may not be realistic for short females who want to stay thin but it's certainly realistic for the average population.
  - muninn_ 10y ago
    Keyword is average. It's a general guideline that should not be followed if you have any interest in nutrition. Just as it's not good for short females who want to stay thin (who doesn't want to stay thin?) it's not a good line for men who are 6'5'' 260lbs.

barrkel 10y ago

I eat twice a day. 750x2 wouldn't meet my daily requirements.

antisthenes 10y ago
The person you're replying to has been known to post nonsense in threads related to nutrition.
- muninn_ 10y ago
  Uh, no?

mbrameld 10y ago

1 tablespoon of sugar is dissolved in water that shallots are soaked in. The water is drained and only the shallots are used. The water that was drained contains most of the sugar. Do you actually believe that the amount of sugar left in the shallots after soaking in water with 1 tablespoon of sugar dissolved in it for 10 minutes is unhealthy?

askafriend 10y ago

750 calories a serving is not that much, especially for dinner and if you're generally active throughout the day. I need the calories to play sports, run, lift weights or otherwise be active. I can rip through 1,000 calories pretty easily after playing a sport. If you don't need 750 calories, that's fine, just save a portion of the dish to eat later.

muninn_ 10y ago
It's quite a bit and most people aren't active. You could probably do 1,000 calories if you played intense basketball or soccer for an hour, but not much else. Running yes sure, but again that one 750 calorie meal for around an hour of exercise, even running or lifting weights, would at most put you back to a state of "I haven't consumed calories today" aside from your metabolic rate. So then you have to eat for the little things you do, say, walk to work, or sharpen pencils or whatever, plus your metabolic rate. That's most likely not this "generic 2,000 calorie diet" but something above or below that. I've seen some comments about "well it's not much if you just spread out your calories by eating 750-250-1000" or whatever, but that's nonsense. You don't justify eating a large cheese pizza once/day because it's 2,000 calories and call yourself healthy. I mean, after all you did a 0-0-2000 split and hey that's under 2000!