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It's funny to think that Moore's has meant that applications just get less efficient but there is no such concept for internet speeds. In reality, it seems tha

It's funny to think that Moore's has meant that applications just get less efficient but there is no such concept for internet speeds. In reality, it seems that people have just settled on a response time that's acceptable and devs try to stay within that window in most cases.

Analemma_ 10y ago
> In reality, it seems that people have just settled on a response time that's acceptable and devs try to stay within that window in most cases. More specifically, every time CPUs or browsers get better, publishers look at their metrics and go "Oh! PLT at 95th percentile is down! Great, now we can add more trackers while still hitting our perf target!" and so the gain is immediately gobbled up -- we're in a Red Queen Race and websites will never get faster. I cannot wait for the adtech ecosystem to collapse, what a godawful waste of resources this is.
- Terr_ 10y ago
  I agree with your sentiment, and I think it's just one facet of a broader issue with how advertising/marketing is rampant. For example, you can pay to see a movie in a theater, and still get shown ads.
  - rybosome 10y ago
    Some airlines do it, too. It makes me absolutely furious, but there have been many occasions when, just sitting in my seat TRYING TO SLEEP, the screens will all flip on an ad with audio simultaneously. It's insane that these aren't even the airline fluff pieces about themselves, but actual, literal advertisements. I've heard that airplane fuel is becoming prohibitively expensive and consumer demand for flights is relatively elastic, so this (and all the other ways they behave miserly) are attempts to remain solvent without drastically raising prices. I feel somewhat sympathetic to that argument (if it's actually true), but it seems like that should be a signal for technology to step in and innovate around the problem rather than attempting to blunder through with more advertisements.
    - arkx 10y ago
      > I've heard that airplane fuel is becoming prohibitively expensive Why not verify what you've heard? Kerosene prices have actually fallen dramatically from just a few years ago. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EER_EPJK_PF4_RGC_DPG&f=D https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=E...
      - pdelbarba 10y ago
        Yea, current JetA prices are pretty low in the grand scheme of things. They're also not likely to go up significantly in the next 5-10 years
- DonaldFisk 10y ago
  This is Jevons Paradox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox) applied to the World Wide Web.

Analemma_ 10y ago

> In reality, it seems that people have just settled on a response time that's acceptable and devs try to stay within that window in most cases. More specifically, every time CPUs or browsers get better, publishers look at their metrics and go "Oh! PLT at 95th percentile is down! Great, now we can add more trackers while still hitting our perf target!" and so the gain is immediately gobbled up -- we're in a Red Queen Race and websites will never get faster. I cannot wait for the adtech ecosystem to collapse, what a godawful waste of resources this is.

Terr_ 10y ago
I agree with your sentiment, and I think it's just one facet of a broader issue with how advertising/marketing is rampant. For example, you can pay to see a movie in a theater, and still get shown ads.
- rybosome 10y ago
  Some airlines do it, too. It makes me absolutely furious, but there have been many occasions when, just sitting in my seat TRYING TO SLEEP, the screens will all flip on an ad with audio simultaneously. It's insane that these aren't even the airline fluff pieces about themselves, but actual, literal advertisements. I've heard that airplane fuel is becoming prohibitively expensive and consumer demand for flights is relatively elastic, so this (and all the other ways they behave miserly) are attempts to remain solvent without drastically raising prices. I feel somewhat sympathetic to that argument (if it's actually true), but it seems like that should be a signal for technology to step in and innovate around the problem rather than attempting to blunder through with more advertisements.
  - arkx 10y ago
    > I've heard that airplane fuel is becoming prohibitively expensive Why not verify what you've heard? Kerosene prices have actually fallen dramatically from just a few years ago. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EER_EPJK_PF4_RGC_DPG&f=D https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=E...
    - pdelbarba 10y ago
      Yea, current JetA prices are pretty low in the grand scheme of things. They're also not likely to go up significantly in the next 5-10 years
DonaldFisk 10y ago
This is Jevons Paradox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox) applied to the World Wide Web.