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Why not just write another language, that compiles to machine code, but doesn't totally enforce type safety. Call it Iron.

lacampbell 9y ago
And make sure Iron has a small group of annoying, hardcore fans who relentlessly disrupts any thread about C or indeed programming in general with their ham fisted advocacy.
- geofft 9y ago
  That seems annoying. It's probably a lot better to have a large group of hardcore fans of C who relentlessly disrupt all of programming in general with vulnerability-riddled code. Make sure they're writing code instead of disrupting any discussion threads, that will make sure they're not annoying.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    C has sharp edges, and buffer overflows are bad, we can all agree on that. Still, there are good ways to advocate a language and there are bad ways. Iron fans are in-your-face to the point that it crossed a line for me in a way that no other language supporters have and I haven't coded in C for a long time now so I don't feel like I have dog in the race.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  I wonder if the Iron fans realize that they are doing more harm than good the way they go about this. It reminds me of the perl zealot days.
  - oblio 9y ago
    The Iron fans are doing a bit of harm but that Perl zealotism is one of the things that made it wildly popular in its day. And unlike Perl, Iron development is structured, not "organic" a la Larry Wall/Perl. I'm not an Iron zealot but I do believe that there rarely is such a thing as bad publicity :)
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      Seen much perl lately?
      - oblio 9y ago
        Yes, surely the downfall of Perl was caused by its zealous fans, not by the apparition of other programming languages that were either easier to use (PHP), more readable (Python) or had more attractive frameworks (Ruby) :)
  - Retra 9y ago
    Who's being harmed?
    - umanwizard 9y ago
      Presumably, people who wanted to talk about Cello in this thread, not Rust, and are having the signal-to-noise ratio reduced by this derailing.
      - kibwen 9y ago
        There's literally not a single comment in this thread comparing C to Rust, and yet Rust fanatics are the ones derailing here? Care to elaborate, my good friend?
        jacquesm 9y ago
        No idea where the GP got 'rust' from this is about Iron. You know.
        kibwen 9y ago
        Agreed, and "Iron", which, according to frostirosti, "doesn't totally enforce type safety", doesn't describe Rust in the slightest, so it almost feels like anyone projecting Rust evangelism from that comment must be talking out of their ass. You know. :)
- goatlover 9y ago
  Iron Fist
- kibwen 9y ago
  Can you please point me to where that's happening?
  - lacampbell 9y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/news https://news.ycombinator.com/news
    - kibwen 9y ago
      Right, admirable of you to admit that you're full of shit. :) Carry on!
- Sean1708 9y ago
  To be fair I think I've seen one comment mention rust so far in this thread.
chriswarbo 9y ago
I get that it's a joke, but for those who are tempted, I'd use a different name: https://github.com/IronLanguages https://github.com/IronLanguages http://iron.ouroborus.net http://iron.ouroborus.net
- nickpsecurity 9y ago
  The name is specific to what they're poking fun at. They'd have to find another decaying process with a simple name maybe.
WalterBright 9y ago
> Call it Iron You pays the Gold price, or the Iron price.
nickpsecurity 9y ago
That's what Martin Richards did when he couldn't get a high-level language to run on crap hardware. Chopped features until BCPL compiler worked. That inspired and vot turned into C. So, this Iron language sounds like deja vu to me from two, different directions. I recommend against it.

lacampbell 9y ago

And make sure Iron has a small group of annoying, hardcore fans who relentlessly disrupts any thread about C or indeed programming in general with their ham fisted advocacy.

geofft 9y ago
That seems annoying. It's probably a lot better to have a large group of hardcore fans of C who relentlessly disrupt all of programming in general with vulnerability-riddled code. Make sure they're writing code instead of disrupting any discussion threads, that will make sure they're not annoying.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  C has sharp edges, and buffer overflows are bad, we can all agree on that. Still, there are good ways to advocate a language and there are bad ways. Iron fans are in-your-face to the point that it crossed a line for me in a way that no other language supporters have and I haven't coded in C for a long time now so I don't feel like I have dog in the race.
jacquesm 9y ago
I wonder if the Iron fans realize that they are doing more harm than good the way they go about this. It reminds me of the perl zealot days.
- oblio 9y ago
  The Iron fans are doing a bit of harm but that Perl zealotism is one of the things that made it wildly popular in its day. And unlike Perl, Iron development is structured, not "organic" a la Larry Wall/Perl. I'm not an Iron zealot but I do believe that there rarely is such a thing as bad publicity :)
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    Seen much perl lately?
    - oblio 9y ago
      Yes, surely the downfall of Perl was caused by its zealous fans, not by the apparition of other programming languages that were either easier to use (PHP), more readable (Python) or had more attractive frameworks (Ruby) :)
- Retra 9y ago
  Who's being harmed?
  - umanwizard 9y ago
    Presumably, people who wanted to talk about Cello in this thread, not Rust, and are having the signal-to-noise ratio reduced by this derailing.
    - kibwen 9y ago
      There's literally not a single comment in this thread comparing C to Rust, and yet Rust fanatics are the ones derailing here? Care to elaborate, my good friend?
      - jacquesm 9y ago
        No idea where the GP got 'rust' from this is about Iron. You know.
        kibwen 9y ago
        Agreed, and "Iron", which, according to frostirosti, "doesn't totally enforce type safety", doesn't describe Rust in the slightest, so it almost feels like anyone projecting Rust evangelism from that comment must be talking out of their ass. You know. :)
goatlover 9y ago
Iron Fist
kibwen 9y ago
Can you please point me to where that's happening?
- lacampbell 9y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/news https://news.ycombinator.com/news
  - kibwen 9y ago
    Right, admirable of you to admit that you're full of shit. :) Carry on!
Sean1708 9y ago
To be fair I think I've seen one comment mention rust so far in this thread.

chriswarbo 9y ago

I get that it's a joke, but for those who are tempted, I'd use a different name: https://github.com/IronLanguages https://github.com/IronLanguages http://iron.ouroborus.net http://iron.ouroborus.net

nickpsecurity 9y ago
The name is specific to what they're poking fun at. They'd have to find another decaying process with a simple name maybe.

WalterBright 9y ago

> Call it Iron You pays the Gold price, or the Iron price.

nickpsecurity 9y ago

That's what Martin Richards did when he couldn't get a high-level language to run on crap hardware. Chopped features until BCPL compiler worked. That inspired and vot turned into C. So, this Iron language sounds like deja vu to me from two, different directions. I recommend against it.