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>or, if necessary, the nasty DOM-manipulation, Windows message hacking, and client-impersonating - to put all these services and their notifications in one plac

>or, if necessary, the nasty DOM-manipulation, Windows message hacking, and client-impersonating - to put all these services and their notifications in one place, that would be a solution to the proliferation problem. This isn't possible for web services due to the state of U.S. law. Speaking to a server without the consent of the server's owner is both a crime and a tort under the CFAA. There is also liability for copyright infringement, among other things. IANAL

slrz 10y ago
If you publicly advertise your service I can probably assume your consent to speak to it. I don't have to wear a funny hat while doing so just because some hidden legalese on your website says so. At least in Europe, news organizations pushed this kind of argument in their campaign against adblockers and failed in front of the courts. US law may differ, of course.
- cookiecaper 10y ago
  >If you publicly advertise your service I can probably assume your consent to speak to it. The implied access and license is probably valid as long as you're abiding the ToS. If you're violating the ToS after agreeing to it ("agreeing" means that proper notice is given to make the ToS binding, etc.), the implied license would probably not work. If you've been specifically asked to stop, either directly or indirectly (e.g., through an IP ban), any implied license or access privileges would almost definitely be revoked at that point. >At least in Europe, news organizations pushed this kind of argument in their campaign against adblockers and failed in front of the courts. US law may differ, of course. Ad blockers differ because they alter the payload after receiving it under legitimate terms (though this could still probably be considered copyright infringement under the argument that the license is for viewing only, not alteration). The CFAA would not be applicable because when the adblocker comes into play, you're not accessing someone's network (which is what the the CFAA addresses). If a site clearly disallowed AdBlock users in their ToS and adequate notice was given to users that they were to be bound by these terms, it would be "unauthorized access" to the server, which is not allowed under the CFAA.

slrz 10y ago

If you publicly advertise your service I can probably assume your consent to speak to it. I don't have to wear a funny hat while doing so just because some hidden legalese on your website says so. At least in Europe, news organizations pushed this kind of argument in their campaign against adblockers and failed in front of the courts. US law may differ, of course.

cookiecaper 10y ago
>If you publicly advertise your service I can probably assume your consent to speak to it. The implied access and license is probably valid as long as you're abiding the ToS. If you're violating the ToS after agreeing to it ("agreeing" means that proper notice is given to make the ToS binding, etc.), the implied license would probably not work. If you've been specifically asked to stop, either directly or indirectly (e.g., through an IP ban), any implied license or access privileges would almost definitely be revoked at that point. >At least in Europe, news organizations pushed this kind of argument in their campaign against adblockers and failed in front of the courts. US law may differ, of course. Ad blockers differ because they alter the payload after receiving it under legitimate terms (though this could still probably be considered copyright infringement under the argument that the license is for viewing only, not alteration). The CFAA would not be applicable because when the adblocker comes into play, you're not accessing someone's network (which is what the the CFAA addresses). If a site clearly disallowed AdBlock users in their ToS and adequate notice was given to users that they were to be bound by these terms, it would be "unauthorized access" to the server, which is not allowed under the CFAA.