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No, I don't care about most of those things. I don't know why you didn't believe me when I wrote it the first time :). "Caret behavior", I use a Mac 8 hours a

by Touche 10y ago

No, I don't care about most of those things. I don't know why you didn't believe me when I wrote it the first time :). "Caret behavior", I use a Mac 8 hours a day and I have no idea what option-arrow does. That clipboard shortcuts work the same is the only one that I'm used to enough to be annoyed if it were done differently. There's something about Mac fans that are very preoccupied with all of the details of how Macs work. I'm not criticizing that, you like what you like, but you shouldn't be surprised that I don't care about Spotlight indexing.

lobster_johnson 10y ago
You don't select or navigate in text? Shift+arrows — select characters Option+arrows — jump between words or paragraphs Cmd+arrows — jump to beginning/end of line or text Shift+Option+arrows — select words or paragraphs Option+Backspace — delete one word back Cmd+A — select all I actually used all of these except the last one while writing and formatting this comment! Plus clipboard shortcuts. If you use vim in a terminal 100% of the time, none of those will matter to you because vim invents its own keyboard universe. But if you don't, I don't understand how you can have this opinion. I get super annoyed with anything that somehow overrides these standard keyboard shortcuts, which is suprisingly often. Non-native UIs typically have to reimplement them because modern OSes have made the curious choice of not abstracting them. I don't think it is a "Mac fans" thing. The exact same principles apply to Windows. Even to Linux, although the keyboard standardization there is next to non-existent. (I don't use Linux desktops often, but when I do, I get really frustrated that the terminals use Ctrl as a meta key instead of Command. So "copy" isn't Cmd+C, it's something like Ctrl+Alt+C.)
- Touche 10y ago
  I use Cmd+A, that's it. It has a close corollary on every OS. > If you use vim in a terminal 100% of the time, none of those will matter to you because vim invents its own keyboard universe. I do, and this is one of the reasons I've never bothered with all of the details and shortcuts that you like. Vim attempts to make the best possible text editor. It doesn't let "OS conventions" dictate what makes good text editing experience. What you get from apps staying to strict OS guidelines is a bunch of average -- not terrible but not inspiring -- applications.
  - lobster_johnson 10y ago
    Sorry if this sounds negative, but I'm perplexed why you would even involve yourself in the discussion when you don't have an opinion. It's like asking a bicyclist about how highways should work. They might go "I don't want any highways at all", but that's hardly useful to highway users (environmental concerns notwithstanding).

by Touche 10y ago

lobster_johnson 10y ago

You don't select or navigate in text? Shift+arrows — select characters Option+arrows — jump between words or paragraphs Cmd+arrows — jump to beginning/end of line or text Shift+Option+arrows — select words or paragraphs Option+Backspace — delete one word back Cmd+A — select all I actually used all of these except the last one while writing and formatting this comment! Plus clipboard shortcuts. If you use vim in a terminal 100% of the time, none of those will matter to you because vim invents its own keyboard universe. But if you don't, I don't understand how you can have this opinion. I get super annoyed with anything that somehow overrides these standard keyboard shortcuts, which is suprisingly often. Non-native UIs typically have to reimplement them because modern OSes have made the curious choice of not abstracting them. I don't think it is a "Mac fans" thing. The exact same principles apply to Windows. Even to Linux, although the keyboard standardization there is next to non-existent. (I don't use Linux desktops often, but when I do, I get really frustrated that the terminals use Ctrl as a meta key instead of Command. So "copy" isn't Cmd+C, it's something like Ctrl+Alt+C.)

Touche 10y ago
I use Cmd+A, that's it. It has a close corollary on every OS. > If you use vim in a terminal 100% of the time, none of those will matter to you because vim invents its own keyboard universe. I do, and this is one of the reasons I've never bothered with all of the details and shortcuts that you like. Vim attempts to make the best possible text editor. It doesn't let "OS conventions" dictate what makes good text editing experience. What you get from apps staying to strict OS guidelines is a bunch of average -- not terrible but not inspiring -- applications.
- lobster_johnson 10y ago
  Sorry if this sounds negative, but I'm perplexed why you would even involve yourself in the discussion when you don't have an opinion. It's like asking a bicyclist about how highways should work. They might go "I don't want any highways at all", but that's hardly useful to highway users (environmental concerns notwithstanding).