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And because the IDE support (refactoring etc etc), compile time error checking and ease of use more than compensates for Java being a little bit verbose.

sametmax 10y ago
Yeah, and they used C because the compilator could optimized stuff the JVM couldn't but now it can. And now Python get type hints so you can have the IDE tools you have with Java like with PyCharm. It's the circle of life.
- user5994461 10y ago
  Not quite correct about type hint. They are only in python 3. Everyone who adopted python 2 on sizeable codebase is likely stuck there forever, with zero annotations and none of the new tools available, and they'll never be ported back.
  - sametmax 10y ago
    You can use type hints with Python 2 in the form of special comments (http://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/python2.html#type-checking-python-2-code http://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/python2.html#type-check...). Guido has been working on the type hint project for dropbox specifically to help them to migrate 2.7 code to 3. But let's be fair, type related tooling in Python are not close to the ones you have in Java yet. It's just that eventually, everything comes around. Java got faster. C++ easier. Python ...toolier ? Etc.
    - user5994461 10y ago
      Java got faster and got some functional features. Python broke all retro compatibility and put all existing sizeable software in a miserable deprecated state with the breaking of python 3. I don't recall C++ getting easier. The few tools and IDE still fail at decent refactoring and code completion. The C++11 movement is adding few stuff more or less useful, piling on top of the vast amount of already existing complexity.
      - petre 10y ago
        Most of the C++ annoyances have already been fixed by Dlang, which interfaces very nicely with C/C++ libraries and code.
      - Arizhel 10y ago
        C++11 makes a LOT of things much, much easier. Yes, it does pile on top of existing complexity because they're loathe to eliminate any backwards compatibility, but the nice thing is that you don't have to use older features or methods of doing things. In fact, if you look multiple serious C++ codebases, it'll almost look like they're different languages, as every project basically chooses a subset of C++ they accept. Realtime embedded code doesn't look anything like desktop application code, for instance, but they're both technically C++.
      - tigershark 10y ago
        And as far as I remember even google is only supporting python 2. Their python-go transpiler doesn't support python 3 for example (unless something changed in the last months and I missed it)
petre 10y ago
And because packaging everything in a jar is easier than pulling 1e3 dependencies for every deployment. Not to mention drpendencies that also require a C/C++ compiler boost or other native libraries.

sametmax 10y ago

Yeah, and they used C because the compilator could optimized stuff the JVM couldn't but now it can. And now Python get type hints so you can have the IDE tools you have with Java like with PyCharm. It's the circle of life.

user5994461 10y ago
Not quite correct about type hint. They are only in python 3. Everyone who adopted python 2 on sizeable codebase is likely stuck there forever, with zero annotations and none of the new tools available, and they'll never be ported back.
- sametmax 10y ago
  You can use type hints with Python 2 in the form of special comments (http://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/python2.html#type-checking-python-2-code http://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/python2.html#type-check...). Guido has been working on the type hint project for dropbox specifically to help them to migrate 2.7 code to 3. But let's be fair, type related tooling in Python are not close to the ones you have in Java yet. It's just that eventually, everything comes around. Java got faster. C++ easier. Python ...toolier ? Etc.
  - user5994461 10y ago
    Java got faster and got some functional features. Python broke all retro compatibility and put all existing sizeable software in a miserable deprecated state with the breaking of python 3. I don't recall C++ getting easier. The few tools and IDE still fail at decent refactoring and code completion. The C++11 movement is adding few stuff more or less useful, piling on top of the vast amount of already existing complexity.
    - petre 10y ago
      Most of the C++ annoyances have already been fixed by Dlang, which interfaces very nicely with C/C++ libraries and code.
    - Arizhel 10y ago
      C++11 makes a LOT of things much, much easier. Yes, it does pile on top of existing complexity because they're loathe to eliminate any backwards compatibility, but the nice thing is that you don't have to use older features or methods of doing things. In fact, if you look multiple serious C++ codebases, it'll almost look like they're different languages, as every project basically chooses a subset of C++ they accept. Realtime embedded code doesn't look anything like desktop application code, for instance, but they're both technically C++.
    - tigershark 10y ago
      And as far as I remember even google is only supporting python 2. Their python-go transpiler doesn't support python 3 for example (unless something changed in the last months and I missed it)

petre 10y ago

And because packaging everything in a jar is easier than pulling 1e3 dependencies for every deployment. Not to mention drpendencies that also require a C/C++ compiler boost or other native libraries.