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This is what happens when you normalize violence, you focus on the blaming and legal stuff instead and you get people like this CEO but no one is reacting to th

This is what happens when you normalize violence, you focus on the blaming and legal stuff instead and you get people like this CEO but no one is reacting to the fact that a human being has been knocked out, dragged out like an animal for something he didn't have to give up. He had a legitimate reason not to give up his seat, he had patients he needed to see the next day. The airline CANNOT act like the computer is right all the time (they said for randomizing the seats to give up) and they should've been humans to understand and pick someone else or increase their incentives. Remember, the flight was NOT overbooked. They said they needed to get their four employees to a different state, so they wanted four people off the plane. This is all spinning by the airline, listen to the specifics. I don't care whose fault it was, there was absolutely no need for that violence in the first place, the escalation was not justified in any situations. The protocol needs to be changed, that's what people need to start asking for. Change the policy to include exemptions such as doctors or others (firefighters, cops, etc), increase the incentives and so on. The airline should've done its job correctly by informing their customers BEFORE boarding the plane and upping the incentives until it gets their goal. The customers should not be forced to give up what they paid before because the airline screwed up. I could care less that overbooking is a common thing. The society should not be about protecting the profits of the companies, they should be promoting the humanity and moving it further. This is a huge regression by allowing the companies to have more power.

ambulancechaser 10y ago
> He had a legitimate reason not to give up his seat This is true until an officer of the law asked him to get off the plane. Argument time happens before that, and after that in court. But at that point, you're being ordered off a plane by a law enforcement officer. When you don't comply there's only one way for it to proceed at that point. > The airline CANNOT act like the computer is right all the time It was the police officers who were right when they ordered the man off the plane.
- mikhailt 10y ago
  The airline called the cops to enforce its rights; the cops could've ordered everyone off the plane to de-escalate the situation peacefully, which should've be done in the first place due to the space constraint in there causing safety concerns. What if the guy wanted to fight? Other customers could've gotten hurt. I've been in that situation before the cops ordered everyone to disperse first. They could've listen and ask if anyone else would be willing to give up their seat for the doctor. There are many options and based on the videos and what the other passengers said, the airline nor the cops gone through all of them before escalating the situation like this. Sorry, the cops were in the wrong as well. They may have all the laws on their side I'm sure but if we treat cops as right all the time, we normalize their behaviors as acceptable as well.
- cmurf 10y ago
  Nope. An officer of the law can be ignored when they give unlawful orders or requests. The police had no business being involved in this situation, there was no crime being committed, and the passenger was not obligated to give up their seat once they were boarded and not in breach of the contract of carriage, which they weren't in any way. Using your logic, if an officer of the law orders you to murder someone, when you don't comply there is only one way for it to proceed. It's basically shitty logic, you should stop doing that. Hurts your brain and others' too. The police overstepped their authority.

ambulancechaser 10y ago

> He had a legitimate reason not to give up his seat This is true until an officer of the law asked him to get off the plane. Argument time happens before that, and after that in court. But at that point, you're being ordered off a plane by a law enforcement officer. When you don't comply there's only one way for it to proceed at that point. > The airline CANNOT act like the computer is right all the time It was the police officers who were right when they ordered the man off the plane.

mikhailt 10y ago
The airline called the cops to enforce its rights; the cops could've ordered everyone off the plane to de-escalate the situation peacefully, which should've be done in the first place due to the space constraint in there causing safety concerns. What if the guy wanted to fight? Other customers could've gotten hurt. I've been in that situation before the cops ordered everyone to disperse first. They could've listen and ask if anyone else would be willing to give up their seat for the doctor. There are many options and based on the videos and what the other passengers said, the airline nor the cops gone through all of them before escalating the situation like this. Sorry, the cops were in the wrong as well. They may have all the laws on their side I'm sure but if we treat cops as right all the time, we normalize their behaviors as acceptable as well.
cmurf 10y ago
Nope. An officer of the law can be ignored when they give unlawful orders or requests. The police had no business being involved in this situation, there was no crime being committed, and the passenger was not obligated to give up their seat once they were boarded and not in breach of the contract of carriage, which they weren't in any way. Using your logic, if an officer of the law orders you to murder someone, when you don't comply there is only one way for it to proceed. It's basically shitty logic, you should stop doing that. Hurts your brain and others' too. The police overstepped their authority.