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The thing is, on a plane the crew is king and you have to follow their orders. If they decide that you have to leave the plane, you must leave the plane. Now, t

The thing is, on a plane the crew is king and you have to follow their orders. If they decide that you have to leave the plane, you must leave the plane. Now, their reasons might be questionable. You have every right to fight the airline once you are off the plane. But there is no room for this while on board. Basically, as soon as he started to refuse to follow the crew's orders, it was a lost case for him.

hedora 10y ago
s/plane/bus/g s/leave/sit in the back of/g
- _fizz_buzz_ 10y ago
  Well, one of the differences is that it's easier to kick someone off a bus mid-travel. That's why the rules are different. Also, racial discrimination ist still illegal on a plane. Just don't fight this fight while on the plane.
- soVeryTired 10y ago
  Please don't compare this to the civil rights movement. Police brutality is not a good thing, but the injustices that started that movement were orders of magnitude greater.
  - hedora 10y ago
    Have you been paying attention to how muslims (including US citizens) are being treated on planes and in airports? What about the security apparatus that underpins the no fly list and is feeding this comment into your "is this a terrorist" machine learning profile? What about the idea that corporations (like private prisons) sometimes have the right to completely ignore due process? Please stop acting like everything is OK and this is not about civil rights.
    - soVeryTired 10y ago
      This isn't a case of a man being refused the right to fly because he is muslim. The guy was chosen at random. There are plenty of recent incidents that could reasonably be compared to rosa parks refusing to move from the front of the bus, but this isn't one of them.
tsunamifury 10y ago
No that is not true. You do not have to put yourself in physical danger. You do not need to comply with abuse of others. You do not need to be complicit in illegal activity. The crew is not "King." They have an expanded set of duties they can enforce. This sort of grandiose interpretation of the law is why we have absurd egotistical displays of violence in the name of non-offenses.
bertil 10y ago
Not exactly: the crew’s first duty is to protect passengers’ safety. In that regard, they are allowed to compel passengers and can do things like confiscate alcohol for disinfection and demand that a surgeon operates a dying patient/passenger. They are allowed to flag a passenger as rowdy or suspicious. They are not allowed to demand that a passenger disembark for other reasons than security. Harming a passenger when you had a peaceful solution available is the exact opposite of what they are meant to do.
- valuearb 10y ago
  The crew didn't harm him. They asked the passenger multiple times to leave. When he refused they asked airport security to remove him. Airport security asked him multiple times to leave, and when he refused they dragged him out and he bumped his face against an arm rest.

hedora 10y ago

s/plane/bus/g s/leave/sit in the back of/g

_fizz_buzz_ 10y ago
Well, one of the differences is that it's easier to kick someone off a bus mid-travel. That's why the rules are different. Also, racial discrimination ist still illegal on a plane. Just don't fight this fight while on the plane.
soVeryTired 10y ago
Please don't compare this to the civil rights movement. Police brutality is not a good thing, but the injustices that started that movement were orders of magnitude greater.
- hedora 10y ago
  Have you been paying attention to how muslims (including US citizens) are being treated on planes and in airports? What about the security apparatus that underpins the no fly list and is feeding this comment into your "is this a terrorist" machine learning profile? What about the idea that corporations (like private prisons) sometimes have the right to completely ignore due process? Please stop acting like everything is OK and this is not about civil rights.
  - soVeryTired 10y ago
    This isn't a case of a man being refused the right to fly because he is muslim. The guy was chosen at random. There are plenty of recent incidents that could reasonably be compared to rosa parks refusing to move from the front of the bus, but this isn't one of them.

tsunamifury 10y ago

No that is not true. You do not have to put yourself in physical danger. You do not need to comply with abuse of others. You do not need to be complicit in illegal activity. The crew is not "King." They have an expanded set of duties they can enforce. This sort of grandiose interpretation of the law is why we have absurd egotistical displays of violence in the name of non-offenses.

bertil 10y ago

Not exactly: the crew’s first duty is to protect passengers’ safety. In that regard, they are allowed to compel passengers and can do things like confiscate alcohol for disinfection and demand that a surgeon operates a dying patient/passenger. They are allowed to flag a passenger as rowdy or suspicious. They are not allowed to demand that a passenger disembark for other reasons than security. Harming a passenger when you had a peaceful solution available is the exact opposite of what they are meant to do.

valuearb 10y ago
The crew didn't harm him. They asked the passenger multiple times to leave. When he refused they asked airport security to remove him. Airport security asked him multiple times to leave, and when he refused they dragged him out and he bumped his face against an arm rest.