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As a Linux user, I've ignored all news of this update until I saw this headline. Why might one want to block this particular update?

by sleavey 10y ago

lightbyte 10y ago
I've used it, and I'm not sure either. The author of this also doesn't seem to know why: > I’ve been using the Windows 10 Creators Update for a few months now through the Insider Preview program, and I haven’t had any major issues. Sounds like this is just baseless W10 hate.
- msarchet 10y ago
  Seems to be running rampant in this thread.
- BoorishBears 10y ago
  I saw some people complaining about a game (it might have been GTA V) crashing repeatedly with the update, so there is (or was) at one reason for someone to want to block it.
- ballenf 10y ago
  I think it's the vestige of a time when people were in control of the software running on their computer. Their interest in blocking the update is directly proportional to the difficulty in doing so. I think it's healthy to oppose certain mandates in principle even if the particular mandate is good. If we lose the ability or knowledge to stop an update, we have lost some freedom. It's not too hard to imagine MS getting hacked and a truly malicious update being pushed. The hate you speak of is the hate for the principle of losing control, not hate for MS itself.
- khedoros1 10y ago
  Or people that don't like some company treating the computer as their own (Yay, paternalistic protection from ourselves!). Or people that don't want to update to an OS version that pushes ads into basic utilities. Windows 10 is 95% great, which makes the 5% of shit in the crevices stand out even more.
louhike 10y ago
It will insert ads for OneDrive in the explorer.
- neilsimp1 10y ago
  While I agree that those are awful, at least the ads are easily disabled: https://betanews.com/2017/03/08/disable-ads-file-explorer-windows-10/ https://betanews.com/2017/03/08/disable-ads-file-explorer-wi...
  - TorKlingberg 10y ago
    This must be a law of program settings: The one you want to change is always under "Advanced".
shakna 10y ago
Consumers: The Anniversary Update reset every personalised option in Settings, including if you opted out of some of the telemetry. Businesses: Rolling out updates is a huge process. Too many machines grab the update together, and the network can slow to a crawl. You don't want to update during peak hours, which could be at night. Some GPOs inevitably fail, so you want to test first, deploy later. Some drivers inevitably get replaced by non-functional MS ones, something you test for. None of this used to be a problem until MS decided that sysadmins aren't trustworthy, and shouldn't be able to tell the system that they are. No sudo and responsibility.
- SippinLean 10y ago
  That's not true, the Ann. Update reset some specific settings for some users due to a bug (now patched).
- sandworm101 10y ago
  But they arent trustworthy. To be trustworthy one must understand the system one is admining. MS now plays so many cloak and dagger games that no sysadmin has any real idea what is happening. They cannont be trusted to understand a system so poorly documented, so hidden behind secrecy walls.
  - ballenf 10y ago
    Not to mention that MS assumes the only companies with competent sysadmins are companies running Enterprise. Windows 10 Pro is a slightly-less handicapped version of Home. To call your product Pro and prohibit users from turning off the Store and all its ads for games is bullshit.
    - digi_owl 10y ago
      Far from only MS, sadly. This attitude is spreading its tentacles all over the FOSS world as well.
- izacus 10y ago
  Umm... Windows 10 Enterprise is exempt from the autoupdate isn't it?
BuckRogers 10y ago
I think it's great, probably just fear of instability or the usual spyware concern. Very pleased with the Nightlight feature which doesn't have the performance implications of f.lux. I like Windows 10 and WSL enough that I gave up on desktop Linux.
gdulli 10y ago
The last major update snuck in an unannounced thing where you could no longer disable the lock screen. Someone might be wary of updates in general because of things like that. On Android it happens very regularly that an app gets worse in some way with an update. I've long since turned off automatic updates and only update an app if I have a specific need to.
- khedoros1 10y ago
  Ditto. The apps I have were chosen because they already work the way I want. Changing it will (likely as not) make it unsuitable for my purposes.
BoorishBears 10y ago
I saw some people complaining about a game (it might have been GTA V) crashing repeatedly with the update, so there is (or was) at one reason for someone to want to block it.

As a Linux user, I've ignored all news of this update until I saw this headline. Why might one want to block this particular update?

by sleavey 10y ago

As a Linux user, I've ignored all news of this update until I saw this headline. Why might one want to block this particular update?

lightbyte 10y ago

I've used it, and I'm not sure either. The author of this also doesn't seem to know why: > I’ve been using the Windows 10 Creators Update for a few months now through the Insider Preview program, and I haven’t had any major issues. Sounds like this is just baseless W10 hate.

msarchet 10y ago
Seems to be running rampant in this thread.
BoorishBears 10y ago
I saw some people complaining about a game (it might have been GTA V) crashing repeatedly with the update, so there is (or was) at one reason for someone to want to block it.
ballenf 10y ago
I think it's the vestige of a time when people were in control of the software running on their computer. Their interest in blocking the update is directly proportional to the difficulty in doing so. I think it's healthy to oppose certain mandates in principle even if the particular mandate is good. If we lose the ability or knowledge to stop an update, we have lost some freedom. It's not too hard to imagine MS getting hacked and a truly malicious update being pushed. The hate you speak of is the hate for the principle of losing control, not hate for MS itself.
khedoros1 10y ago
Or people that don't like some company treating the computer as their own (Yay, paternalistic protection from ourselves!). Or people that don't want to update to an OS version that pushes ads into basic utilities. Windows 10 is 95% great, which makes the 5% of shit in the crevices stand out even more.

louhike 10y ago

It will insert ads for OneDrive in the explorer.

neilsimp1 10y ago
While I agree that those are awful, at least the ads are easily disabled: https://betanews.com/2017/03/08/disable-ads-file-explorer-windows-10/ https://betanews.com/2017/03/08/disable-ads-file-explorer-wi...
- TorKlingberg 10y ago
  This must be a law of program settings: The one you want to change is always under "Advanced".

shakna 10y ago

Consumers: The Anniversary Update reset every personalised option in Settings, including if you opted out of some of the telemetry. Businesses: Rolling out updates is a huge process. Too many machines grab the update together, and the network can slow to a crawl. You don't want to update during peak hours, which could be at night. Some GPOs inevitably fail, so you want to test first, deploy later. Some drivers inevitably get replaced by non-functional MS ones, something you test for. None of this used to be a problem until MS decided that sysadmins aren't trustworthy, and shouldn't be able to tell the system that they are. No sudo and responsibility.

SippinLean 10y ago
That's not true, the Ann. Update reset some specific settings for some users due to a bug (now patched).
sandworm101 10y ago
But they arent trustworthy. To be trustworthy one must understand the system one is admining. MS now plays so many cloak and dagger games that no sysadmin has any real idea what is happening. They cannont be trusted to understand a system so poorly documented, so hidden behind secrecy walls.
- ballenf 10y ago
  Not to mention that MS assumes the only companies with competent sysadmins are companies running Enterprise. Windows 10 Pro is a slightly-less handicapped version of Home. To call your product Pro and prohibit users from turning off the Store and all its ads for games is bullshit.
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    Far from only MS, sadly. This attitude is spreading its tentacles all over the FOSS world as well.
izacus 10y ago
Umm... Windows 10 Enterprise is exempt from the autoupdate isn't it?

BuckRogers 10y ago

I think it's great, probably just fear of instability or the usual spyware concern. Very pleased with the Nightlight feature which doesn't have the performance implications of f.lux. I like Windows 10 and WSL enough that I gave up on desktop Linux.

gdulli 10y ago

The last major update snuck in an unannounced thing where you could no longer disable the lock screen. Someone might be wary of updates in general because of things like that. On Android it happens very regularly that an app gets worse in some way with an update. I've long since turned off automatic updates and only update an app if I have a specific need to.

khedoros1 10y ago
Ditto. The apps I have were chosen because they already work the way I want. Changing it will (likely as not) make it unsuitable for my purposes.

BoorishBears 10y ago

I saw some people complaining about a game (it might have been GTA V) crashing repeatedly with the update, so there is (or was) at one reason for someone to want to block it.