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Good points but the bigger problem for me is the lack of an archive. You only have the last 10k (?) messages and that includes public and private messages. If
by caseysoftware 10y ago
Good points but the bigger problem for me is the lack of an archive.
You only have the last 10k (?) messages and that includes public and private messages. If you have a mildly active project, messages may only be available for a month and you lose the history of the project. That makes it an awful support option too.
- cristaloleg 10y agoWell, some of the open communities are using http://slackarchive.io/ http://slackarchive.io/
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- michaelmior 10y agoThanks for the pointer! Hadn't seen this before.
- smhx 10y agothanks for the pointer. I started using this today for pytorch
- drey08 10y agoJust a note: if you go from free to paid, you can recover those lost messages. They're never actually deleted, you just can't view messages after the 10k limit in the free version.
- uiri 10y agoWow, that is kind of evil. I could understand if Slack kept, say, the last 20k or 50k and only showed the most recent 10k. For them to store all the messages indefinitely for all free servers means that they are incurring the same storage costs whether the server is free or paid. Are the bandwidth costs really that high to justify hiding all those messages (likely on the order of 100k or 1M for many servers) ?
- throwaway9475 10y agoNo, they hold your data hostage because they can. Welcome to capitalism.
- paulryanrogers 10y ago!? Except hostages don't know they're being kidnapped. Slack's pricing is no secret.
- michaelmior 10y agoI assume you mean "hostages don't agree to be kidnapped"
- EpicEng 10y agoyes, I suppose Slack not existing at all is a more preferable option /s
- throwaway9475 10y agoThird choice: Slack exists, but doesn't hold your data hostage until you pay. I mean, on my list of things I care about ideologically, this is lower than my concern for warm gin and my dislike of sweatpants. It's legal and totally within their right, but it's a crappy way to behave.
- snakeanus 10y agoActually yes
- IanCal 10y agoThey might be shunted to a disk somewhere and removed from search indices while on the free plan, reducing their costs but allowing them to recover things after. > Are the bandwidth costs really that high to justify hiding all those messages (likely on the order of 100k or 1M for many servers) ? Given that the cost to you is 0, what cost to them is required for it to be justified to you? It seems odd that providing a free but limited service is evil, based only on it being slightly more expensive to give you an even better service for free.
- alpha_squared 10y agoI completely agree with this. I'm part of a group that's trying to help people in the local community learn programming and we're using Slack to chat outside of any scheduled sessions. We're at over 1000 members in Slack now and are seeing messages disappear before the two-week mark. We don't collect any money from our members and Slack's pricing model makes it unfeasible for us. At this point, Slack's search feature is hit or miss when searching for anything over a week old.
- rco8786 10y agoWith respect - Slack is a business that runs on a freemium model. You can't expect them to handle your (large) user base for free just because.
- freehunter 10y agoWhich sounds like another reason Slack is inappropriate for open source communication. Money is a completely valid reason.
- Ensorceled 10y agoWith respect - you are reading something that wasn't necessarily there, the person you were responding to said nothing about expecting Slack to change their business model.
- ryanbrunner 10y agoThat still doesn't make Slack an appropriate choice for open source. Even if the project didn't mind paying, Slack's business model is wholly incompatible with the traffic that an open source project would expect (lots and lots of not very active users)
- zachlatta 10y agoIf you have a nonprofit for your project, you can also get on their nonprofit plan. At https://hackclub.com https://hackclub.com we get unlimited archival without paying for this reason.
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