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What are the most comparable benchmarks to web development work (i.e. Visual Studio compile/publish/debugging), or what do you recommend for making educated dec

What are the most comparable benchmarks to web development work (i.e. Visual Studio compile/publish/debugging), or what do you recommend for making educated decisions around purchasing a CPU specifically for building software?

cjbprime 10y ago
Seems like the answer that more threads are better, and Ryzen has more threads.
- user5994461 10y ago
  Higher frequency is better. Most web languages are single threaded. Most operations, opening your IDE, running tests are also single threaded.
  - trey-jones 10y ago
    This statement is pretty badly outdated. Modern web tech is just as multi-thread capable as other tech.
    - Rusky 10y ago
      It's not. There's a reason Mozilla is pushing Servo.
  - jhasse 10y ago
    > running tests are also single threaded Only if your tests modify global state / aren't thread safe. Good unit tests can be ran multi-threaded.
  - the8472 10y ago
    > opening your IDE, running tests are also single threaded That very much depends on the IDE and testing framework
    - yeukhon 10y ago
      Yes... and he's trying to say a lot of software out there aren't written multi-threaded because either there wasn't much performance gain or the developers simply choose not to.
      - user5994461 10y ago
        Compilation and linting are mostly mono threaded. At least in the languages I use. That is a lot of direct waiting.
        shakna 10y ago
        > Compilation and linting are mostly mono threaded. Which languages fall on your list? (Just curious) I use: * C (make and gcc can thread) * Python (no real thread story) * JS (depends) * Scheme (usually threads)
        user5994461 10y ago
        C, C++. Compilation can be multi threaded. Linking is inherently mono threaded. A number of optimizations flags are mono threaded (and take very long). Python. Lint is mono threaded. The virtualenv setup is mono threaded (running requirements.txt). Java. Mono threaded for package generation (jar files). Not sure about compilation and running tests. Most of Eclipse is mono threaded (last I used it) like indexing and rendering and auto completion. Outside of that, opening any IDE, tool, application or browser is a mostly single threaded operation. The rendering of most GUI is also single threaded.
        neilc 10y ago
        > Linking is inherently mono threaded. This is actually not the case -- modern linkers (e.g., lld) can take advantage of multiple cores. https://lld.llvm.org/ https://lld.llvm.org/
        10y ago
- baldfat 10y ago
  If you do compiling then multiple of threads are better. For video editing multi threads is HUGE. If you have several single thread applications open then multi thread is better. Multiple of tabs multi threads is better. Most of the time single thread performance is more important.
  - mtanski 10y ago
    That's why I upgraded at home from a 6700k to a R7 1700x. My build times went down to like 55 to 65%, so not quite 2x as fast.
    - mtgx 10y ago
      No, but you got an 80% improvement for a similar price.
mastax 10y ago
There are compilation benchmarks in TFA. Edit: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs-core-i5-review-twelve-threads-vs-four/9 http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs...
- acdha 10y ago
  There's a single benchmark for measuring how long it takes to compile Chrome. That doesn't tell, say, the average IDE user how well it'll handle their interactive experience – it's reasonable to expect that to multithread well – or what the workload the original poster specifically mentioned will be like. Many web developers have e.g databases, redis, CSS/JS compilers, etc. running (directly, in Docker, etc.) in addition to the app, and many of those bottleneck on single-threaded performance, and so it's quite reasonable to ask whether that kind of workload benefits from the extra parallelism which is the main selling point for this processor design.
  - flamedoge 10y ago
    It seems to average 10-20 compiles a day... And it's Chromium compilation. That probably averages 1-2.5 hours per compilation. Compiler as a benchmark depends a lot on moving data and jumps from all the parsing, codegen, dataflow analysis, etc.. It's definitely not a floating point heavy benchmark.
  - low_battery 10y ago
    Linux kernel compile times: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-1800x-linux&num=5 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-180...

cjbprime 10y ago

Seems like the answer that more threads are better, and Ryzen has more threads.

user5994461 10y ago
Higher frequency is better. Most web languages are single threaded. Most operations, opening your IDE, running tests are also single threaded.
- trey-jones 10y ago
  This statement is pretty badly outdated. Modern web tech is just as multi-thread capable as other tech.
  - Rusky 10y ago
    It's not. There's a reason Mozilla is pushing Servo.
- jhasse 10y ago
  > running tests are also single threaded Only if your tests modify global state / aren't thread safe. Good unit tests can be ran multi-threaded.
- the8472 10y ago
  > opening your IDE, running tests are also single threaded That very much depends on the IDE and testing framework
  - yeukhon 10y ago
    Yes... and he's trying to say a lot of software out there aren't written multi-threaded because either there wasn't much performance gain or the developers simply choose not to.
    - user5994461 10y ago
      Compilation and linting are mostly mono threaded. At least in the languages I use. That is a lot of direct waiting.
      - shakna 10y ago
        > Compilation and linting are mostly mono threaded. Which languages fall on your list? (Just curious) I use: * C (make and gcc can thread) * Python (no real thread story) * JS (depends) * Scheme (usually threads)
        user5994461 10y ago
        C, C++. Compilation can be multi threaded. Linking is inherently mono threaded. A number of optimizations flags are mono threaded (and take very long). Python. Lint is mono threaded. The virtualenv setup is mono threaded (running requirements.txt). Java. Mono threaded for package generation (jar files). Not sure about compilation and running tests. Most of Eclipse is mono threaded (last I used it) like indexing and rendering and auto completion. Outside of that, opening any IDE, tool, application or browser is a mostly single threaded operation. The rendering of most GUI is also single threaded.
        neilc 10y ago
        > Linking is inherently mono threaded. This is actually not the case -- modern linkers (e.g., lld) can take advantage of multiple cores. https://lld.llvm.org/ https://lld.llvm.org/
        10y ago
baldfat 10y ago
If you do compiling then multiple of threads are better. For video editing multi threads is HUGE. If you have several single thread applications open then multi thread is better. Multiple of tabs multi threads is better. Most of the time single thread performance is more important.
- mtanski 10y ago
  That's why I upgraded at home from a 6700k to a R7 1700x. My build times went down to like 55 to 65%, so not quite 2x as fast.
  - mtgx 10y ago
    No, but you got an 80% improvement for a similar price.

mastax 10y ago

There are compilation benchmarks in TFA. Edit: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs-core-i5-review-twelve-threads-vs-four/9 http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs...

acdha 10y ago
There's a single benchmark for measuring how long it takes to compile Chrome. That doesn't tell, say, the average IDE user how well it'll handle their interactive experience – it's reasonable to expect that to multithread well – or what the workload the original poster specifically mentioned will be like. Many web developers have e.g databases, redis, CSS/JS compilers, etc. running (directly, in Docker, etc.) in addition to the app, and many of those bottleneck on single-threaded performance, and so it's quite reasonable to ask whether that kind of workload benefits from the extra parallelism which is the main selling point for this processor design.
- flamedoge 10y ago
  It seems to average 10-20 compiles a day... And it's Chromium compilation. That probably averages 1-2.5 hours per compilation. Compiler as a benchmark depends a lot on moving data and jumps from all the parsing, codegen, dataflow analysis, etc.. It's definitely not a floating point heavy benchmark.
- low_battery 10y ago
  Linux kernel compile times: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-1800x-linux&num=5 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-180...