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Have you carefully examined how the dairy industry works? I'm not convinced that a vegetarian diet that includes factory farmed dairy involves much less cruelt

Have you carefully examined how the dairy industry works? I'm not convinced that a vegetarian diet that includes factory farmed dairy involves much less cruelty than an omnivorous diet. Maybe more, if the omnivore were to avoid factory farmed meat and dairy. That said, I'm not a vegetarian myself, because I don't believe it's in my rational self-interest.

dkersten 10y ago
There are plenty of forms of vegatarian: lacto-vegetarians that eat dairy, ovo-vegetarians that eat eggs, lacto-ovo-vegetarians that eat both, vegans that eat neither (don't eat any animal products), raw-vegan that only eat raw foods, etc If you believe that factory farmed dairy is just as cruel, then don't consume factory farmed dairy. I don't believe its in my rational self-interest Unless you count the environmental impact, it shouldn't be about your self-interest, but rather doing something that some see as cruel and unethical treatment of other living creatures. (PS: I'm not vegetarian either, so I'm not attempting to change your opinion)
- duncan_bayne 10y ago
  > Unless you count the environmental impact, it shouldn't be about your self-interest, but rather doing something that some see as cruel and unethical treatment of other living creatures. This might clarify my position a bit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_egoism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_egoism
soVeryTired 10y ago
> ...because I don't believe it's in my rational self-interest. Can I politely suggest you uncurl from the solipsistic ball you've tucked yourself into? It's nice out here...
- duncan_bayne 10y ago
  Can I politely suggest you look up the definition of solipsism? :) Seriously, there is nothing about adopting a philosophy of rational self interest that implies solipsism. In fact, solipsism can clearly be shown not to be in one's own rational self interest :)
spraak 10y ago
This is exactly why (well, just one reason) I'm vegan

dkersten 10y ago

There are plenty of forms of vegatarian: lacto-vegetarians that eat dairy, ovo-vegetarians that eat eggs, lacto-ovo-vegetarians that eat both, vegans that eat neither (don't eat any animal products), raw-vegan that only eat raw foods, etc If you believe that factory farmed dairy is just as cruel, then don't consume factory farmed dairy. I don't believe its in my rational self-interest Unless you count the environmental impact, it shouldn't be about your self-interest, but rather doing something that some see as cruel and unethical treatment of other living creatures. (PS: I'm not vegetarian either, so I'm not attempting to change your opinion)

duncan_bayne 10y ago
> Unless you count the environmental impact, it shouldn't be about your self-interest, but rather doing something that some see as cruel and unethical treatment of other living creatures. This might clarify my position a bit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_egoism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_egoism

soVeryTired 10y ago

> ...because I don't believe it's in my rational self-interest. Can I politely suggest you uncurl from the solipsistic ball you've tucked yourself into? It's nice out here...

duncan_bayne 10y ago
Can I politely suggest you look up the definition of solipsism? :) Seriously, there is nothing about adopting a philosophy of rational self interest that implies solipsism. In fact, solipsism can clearly be shown not to be in one's own rational self interest :)

spraak 10y ago

This is exactly why (well, just one reason) I'm vegan