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> There's something truly unique about alcohol that isn't true of any other addictive substance on the planet. Except nicotine, sugar, caffeine, etc. Honestly

by croon 10y ago

> There's something truly unique about alcohol that isn't true of any other addictive substance on the planet. Except nicotine, sugar, caffeine, etc. Honestly I'd say your argument is a much better fit for sugar. I'm saying this as someone who went off it for a few years, and now back on it, trying to quit. Tremendously addictive, and it's EVERYWHERE. Birthday? Cake. Meeting up with friends? Drinks. Easter? Candy. Date? Chocolate. Did something good? Reward with cookies. I sound like I'm on some bandwagon, but I'm not trying to argue that honey or agave or anything else is better, but there's very little sugar naturally in any real food, and we can't escape it. Alcohol is at most gatherings, but it really isn't nearly as pervasive.

pas 10y ago
Aren't fruits full of sugar?
- croon 10y ago
  Sure, that is naturally occuring, and I wouldn't advise eating too much of it either, but at least the ratio is offset by a lot of fiber (and water), so you get somewhat full. But I get your point, it shouldn't really be about what's naturally occuring, but how it affects your body. I stay away from fruit as well.
- Programmatic 10y ago
  The problem with sugar is, IMO, glycemic index. With glucose being an index of 100, no sugar being an index of 0, and something that takes a moderate amount of time to convert from starches/etc to sugar being 50, things that are higher than 50-60 tend to spike your blood sugar and cause insulin to scavenge the sugar out and store it in fat. Doing that often causes things like insulin resistance and obesity as you get hungry again when your blood sugar drops. Fruits have a surprisingly low glycemic index because they aren't processed and you have to get through fiber and digest the cells before having access to all of the sugar. I've changed my diet to avoid sugar and notice that I very rarely feel actively hungry/crashy vs. before, and most fruit is just fine. http://www.glycemicedge.com/glycemic-index-chart/ http://www.glycemicedge.com/glycemic-index-chart/
  - soreal 10y ago
    I checked the table you linked and: Apple: 38 Banana: 51 Pineapple: 66 Watermelon: 72 vs. Ice Cream (premium): 37 Sponge Cake: 46 Frosted Flakes: 55 Snicker's Bar: 55 Fruits really are very high GI compared to regular snack foods. They're relatively healthy for other reasons though.
    - wpietri 10y ago
      A perhaps better measure is glycemic load, which takes mass into account. 400 calories of frosted flakes is about 100g. 400 calories of watermelon is 1.3kg. Watermelon's glycemic index is worse, but at reasonable serving sizes, fruits generally end up being way better.
    - Programmatic 10y ago
      You also cherry picked, figuratively speaking. More literally, you didn't pick the cherries at an index of 22. There are a lot of fruits in the 20s to 40s. I tend to stay away from both pineapple and watermelon.
toomanybeersies 10y ago
Somehow I've never really had a sweet tooth at all. I usually decline sweet foods when people are handing around cake or cookies, or only accept to be polite and take a small slice. But get some nice savoury food near me and I'll scarf it all down. For some reason umami is to me what sugar is to others.
- magic_beans 10y ago
  I'm the same way. I call it a salty tooth. I couldn't care less about desserts, but if someone offers me some smelly camembert, or bread and olive tapenade, or a bonito rice ball, you better watch out because it's all going into my mouth.
wpietri 10y ago
Definitely. By the way, if you're looking for a way to get a clean break from sugar, following the paleo induction plan "Whole30" has worked well for me. The initial withdrawal symptoms are not fun, but the limited time span and the clarity of the program made it relatively easy to do. Feel free to email if you want to discuss. I'm so glad to be off it again; I feel healthier and my mood is so much more positive and even.
- croon 10y ago
  Thanks! I'll look into it. I didn't have any trouble quitting last time, but having a family and more commitments now makes it tougher to completely revamp your habits. What I find most fascinating is how I can look outside myself and notice how my rational brain time and time again gets disregarded by impulse, while knowing what I know. It's like observing someone else. I have clear memories and notes over how (as you describe) my mood was better and I felt healthier, yet an immediate impulse with a fleeting effect takes priority, while knowing it will only prolong the problem.

by croon 10y ago

pas 10y ago

Aren't fruits full of sugar?

croon 10y ago
Sure, that is naturally occuring, and I wouldn't advise eating too much of it either, but at least the ratio is offset by a lot of fiber (and water), so you get somewhat full. But I get your point, it shouldn't really be about what's naturally occuring, but how it affects your body. I stay away from fruit as well.
Programmatic 10y ago
The problem with sugar is, IMO, glycemic index. With glucose being an index of 100, no sugar being an index of 0, and something that takes a moderate amount of time to convert from starches/etc to sugar being 50, things that are higher than 50-60 tend to spike your blood sugar and cause insulin to scavenge the sugar out and store it in fat. Doing that often causes things like insulin resistance and obesity as you get hungry again when your blood sugar drops. Fruits have a surprisingly low glycemic index because they aren't processed and you have to get through fiber and digest the cells before having access to all of the sugar. I've changed my diet to avoid sugar and notice that I very rarely feel actively hungry/crashy vs. before, and most fruit is just fine. http://www.glycemicedge.com/glycemic-index-chart/ http://www.glycemicedge.com/glycemic-index-chart/
- soreal 10y ago
  I checked the table you linked and: Apple: 38 Banana: 51 Pineapple: 66 Watermelon: 72 vs. Ice Cream (premium): 37 Sponge Cake: 46 Frosted Flakes: 55 Snicker's Bar: 55 Fruits really are very high GI compared to regular snack foods. They're relatively healthy for other reasons though.
  - wpietri 10y ago
    A perhaps better measure is glycemic load, which takes mass into account. 400 calories of frosted flakes is about 100g. 400 calories of watermelon is 1.3kg. Watermelon's glycemic index is worse, but at reasonable serving sizes, fruits generally end up being way better.
  - Programmatic 10y ago
    You also cherry picked, figuratively speaking. More literally, you didn't pick the cherries at an index of 22. There are a lot of fruits in the 20s to 40s. I tend to stay away from both pineapple and watermelon.

toomanybeersies 10y ago

Somehow I've never really had a sweet tooth at all. I usually decline sweet foods when people are handing around cake or cookies, or only accept to be polite and take a small slice. But get some nice savoury food near me and I'll scarf it all down. For some reason umami is to me what sugar is to others.

magic_beans 10y ago
I'm the same way. I call it a salty tooth. I couldn't care less about desserts, but if someone offers me some smelly camembert, or bread and olive tapenade, or a bonito rice ball, you better watch out because it's all going into my mouth.

wpietri 10y ago

Definitely. By the way, if you're looking for a way to get a clean break from sugar, following the paleo induction plan "Whole30" has worked well for me. The initial withdrawal symptoms are not fun, but the limited time span and the clarity of the program made it relatively easy to do. Feel free to email if you want to discuss. I'm so glad to be off it again; I feel healthier and my mood is so much more positive and even.

croon 10y ago
Thanks! I'll look into it. I didn't have any trouble quitting last time, but having a family and more commitments now makes it tougher to completely revamp your habits. What I find most fascinating is how I can look outside myself and notice how my rational brain time and time again gets disregarded by impulse, while knowing what I know. It's like observing someone else. I have clear memories and notes over how (as you describe) my mood was better and I felt healthier, yet an immediate impulse with a fleeting effect takes priority, while knowing it will only prolong the problem.