This is a really tough question. And I don't think people really want to argue that workers shouldn't have the ability to form groups and collectively bargain.

This is a really tough question. And I don't think people really want to argue that workers shouldn't have the ability to form groups and collectively bargain. To me, the current status isn't as simple as that. The current status that I see is that public pensions have outsized control over government spending, which means you can't just think of these unions in these simple happy terms. It also seems perverse to many private sector workers that public workers, who are unionized, pay dues to the unions, which lobby the government for more benefits. Essentially the government is paying people to lobby against itself. Private unions don't have this conflict of interest, their funding is based entirely on profits based on the market.