I agree, that was rather brash. They're not bad programmers. I tried to clarify that in my previous comment. I think C++'s biggest failing is how large and con

I agree, that was rather brash. They're not bad programmers. I tried to clarify that in my previous comment. I think C++'s biggest failing is how large and convoluted it is but, in relation to the thread's question, how many beginner C++ programmers are gonna jump straight into systems programming? I sure hope the answer is 0. I just see too many people quoting the list on Rust's homepage verbatim when I ask them about why a skilled C++ developer should pick up Rust.