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Again framing: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/the-united-states-used-depleted-uranium-in-syria/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/the-united-states-used

by devoply 10y ago

Again framing: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/the-united-states-used-depleted-uranium-in-syria/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/the-united-states-used-d...

frozenport 10y ago
I'm calling bullshit on your train of thought. Frame ain't reality, buddy. The magnitude of Assads participation in first inspiring chaos in Iraq, then purging the Syrian people, and an increasingly brutal hold to power, far out weight any minor US involvement.
- devoply 10y ago
  We were talking about using WMDs. When I in fact showed that WMDs were used in the same country by perhaps your country you changed the target to Assad. Well okay, again framing: > The magnitude of Assads participation in first inspiring chaos in Iraq, The Iraq war would qualify as the BIGGEST factor in inspiring chaos in Iraq. > then purging the Syrian people, and an increasingly brutal hold to power, far out weight any minor US involvement. Assad is trying to hold on to legitimate power where the US is attempt to purge Syria of his government using terrorists relabeled freedom fighters who have destabilized the entire country. This began as a small movement during Arab spring which was mainly due to food price problems which were out of Assad's control due to the global economy. The situation has totally deteriorated due to American intervention, as it always does. If America never supported the so-called freedom fights, significant human life and livelihood would've been spared. In the end I don't believe any one in the situation is a good guy. They're all scumbags playing realpolitik.
  - mercurial 10y ago
    > Assad is trying to hold on to legitimate power where the US is attempt to purge Syria of his government using terrorists relabeled freedom fighters who have destabilized the entire country. I think you are widely overestimating both the US involvement and its degree of control over the actors it has links to. I'd be surprised if the main sponsors of the various anti-Assad factions (Saudi Arabia and Qatar) had anything like firm control of the factions they are funding.
    - djsumdog 10y ago
      I think you don't understand just what America does in the world. Look up MKUltra, Bay of Pigs, the 73 Coupe in Chile, School of the Americas, Iranian-Contras, the BP/US/UK overthrow of Iran .. I mean the list is seriously as long as you want to make it. The CIA created ISIS. The Congresswoman from Hawaii, who has visited Syria, even says as much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdf2WH4g9k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdf2WH4g9k
      - mercurial 10y ago
        I am not naive about what the US has done and still does. But reading a "list" is not nearly enough. Studying the US support to anti-Soviet forces will tell you much about how funding various insurgent groups goes, if the fact that US-trained forces have a disturbing tendency to sell their hardware to the highest bidder and have as yet to demonstrate any degree of success was not enough of a hint.

by devoply 10y ago

Again framing: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/the-united-states-used-depleted-uranium-in-syria/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/the-united-states-used-d...

frozenport 10y ago

I'm calling bullshit on your train of thought. Frame ain't reality, buddy. The magnitude of Assads participation in first inspiring chaos in Iraq, then purging the Syrian people, and an increasingly brutal hold to power, far out weight any minor US involvement.

devoply 10y ago
We were talking about using WMDs. When I in fact showed that WMDs were used in the same country by perhaps your country you changed the target to Assad. Well okay, again framing: > The magnitude of Assads participation in first inspiring chaos in Iraq, The Iraq war would qualify as the BIGGEST factor in inspiring chaos in Iraq. > then purging the Syrian people, and an increasingly brutal hold to power, far out weight any minor US involvement. Assad is trying to hold on to legitimate power where the US is attempt to purge Syria of his government using terrorists relabeled freedom fighters who have destabilized the entire country. This began as a small movement during Arab spring which was mainly due to food price problems which were out of Assad's control due to the global economy. The situation has totally deteriorated due to American intervention, as it always does. If America never supported the so-called freedom fights, significant human life and livelihood would've been spared. In the end I don't believe any one in the situation is a good guy. They're all scumbags playing realpolitik.
- mercurial 10y ago
  > Assad is trying to hold on to legitimate power where the US is attempt to purge Syria of his government using terrorists relabeled freedom fighters who have destabilized the entire country. I think you are widely overestimating both the US involvement and its degree of control over the actors it has links to. I'd be surprised if the main sponsors of the various anti-Assad factions (Saudi Arabia and Qatar) had anything like firm control of the factions they are funding.
  - djsumdog 10y ago
    I think you don't understand just what America does in the world. Look up MKUltra, Bay of Pigs, the 73 Coupe in Chile, School of the Americas, Iranian-Contras, the BP/US/UK overthrow of Iran .. I mean the list is seriously as long as you want to make it. The CIA created ISIS. The Congresswoman from Hawaii, who has visited Syria, even says as much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdf2WH4g9k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdf2WH4g9k
    - mercurial 10y ago
      I am not naive about what the US has done and still does. But reading a "list" is not nearly enough. Studying the US support to anti-Soviet forces will tell you much about how funding various insurgent groups goes, if the fact that US-trained forces have a disturbing tendency to sell their hardware to the highest bidder and have as yet to demonstrate any degree of success was not enough of a hint.