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So then I wonder if with enough play, people can beat AlphaGo once more. Maybe would should let people have a chance to keep playing against AlphaGo till they

by ooqr 10y ago

So then I wonder if with enough play, people can beat AlphaGo once more. Maybe would should let people have a chance to keep playing against AlphaGo till they recover from the flaws it finds in human games, and maybe human creativity can win out once more.

xbmcuser 10y ago
> So then I wonder if with enough play, people can beat AlphaGo once more. Maybe would should let people have a chance to keep playing against AlphaGo till they recover from the flaws it finds in human games, and maybe human creativity can win out once more. Alpha go learns just like humans it is not standing still for humans to catch up.
- goatlover 10y ago
  What if the size of Go board was increased? Does AlphaGo scale as well as expert human players?
  - eru 10y ago
    Probably better, actually. (But that's just a guess.)
    - Florin_Andrei 10y ago
      Humans are limited by the size of their skull. Computer systems have no such limitation.
inimino 10y ago
No. People will learn from a stronger player, but not far beyond your own ability. AlphaGo is far enough ahead of human play, the human era in Go is over. However, the era of everyone being able to have a super-human Go teacher should certainly make things more fun and raise the level of amateur players.
- dragontamer 10y ago
  Case in point: I constantly use Stockfish (Open Source Chess Engine) + Scidvspc (Open Source Chess tool) to analyze my own games. I can have Stockfish play and evaluate all of the games I play and give me a rating on each of my moves. Stockfish figures out any blunders I do automatically. I just set it to "search depth 20" (which normally takes ~20 seconds per turn... although some complicated positions can be ~1+ minute per turn) and have it analyze my games. In less than 10 minutes, I have a very strong analysis over the course of an entire game.

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So then I wonder if with enough play, people can beat AlphaGo once more. Maybe would should let people have a chance to keep playing against AlphaGo till they

by ooqr 10y ago

xbmcuser 10y ago
> So then I wonder if with enough play, people can beat AlphaGo once more. Maybe would should let people have a chance to keep playing against AlphaGo till they recover from the flaws it finds in human games, and maybe human creativity can win out once more. Alpha go learns just like humans it is not standing still for humans to catch up.
- goatlover 10y ago
  What if the size of Go board was increased? Does AlphaGo scale as well as expert human players?
  - eru 10y ago
    Probably better, actually. (But that's just a guess.)
    - Florin_Andrei 10y ago
      Humans are limited by the size of their skull. Computer systems have no such limitation.
inimino 10y ago
No. People will learn from a stronger player, but not far beyond your own ability. AlphaGo is far enough ahead of human play, the human era in Go is over. However, the era of everyone being able to have a super-human Go teacher should certainly make things more fun and raise the level of amateur players.
- dragontamer 10y ago
  Case in point: I constantly use Stockfish (Open Source Chess Engine) + Scidvspc (Open Source Chess tool) to analyze my own games. I can have Stockfish play and evaluate all of the games I play and give me a rating on each of my moves. Stockfish figures out any blunders I do automatically. I just set it to "search depth 20" (which normally takes ~20 seconds per turn... although some complicated positions can be ~1+ minute per turn) and have it analyze my games. In less than 10 minutes, I have a very strong analysis over the course of an entire game.