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I think the article is interesting, but the headline is wrong. Sleep is a status signal, but it isn't new and it isn't positive. Think about how many idioms and

I think the article is interesting, but the headline is wrong. Sleep is a status signal, but it isn't new and it isn't positive. Think about how many idioms and colloquies connect sleep with sloth, licentiousness and shame. No, the status symbol of sleep is how little of it you've had. Admittedly it'd probably be harder to sell sleep deprivation than something that ostensibly helps with the problem.

bryanrasmussen 10y ago
Both are status symbols - how little sleep you are getting but still managing to perform is an often macho status symbol at a certain middle class level. You are living the life and doing big work on very little sleep because you are just that tough and smart. wooooo. however it is only a middle class status symbol. And in quite a lot of middle class jobs it seems required that you do this to stay in the middle class, because if you do take the time to sleep how will you keep up with the Jones' On the other hand if you're poor there is no status symbol associated with getting little sleep, it is just something you often have to do. And if you're rich there isn't any need for you to brag about how you stayed up late on the Andersen case for 4 nights this week, and got that out the door yeah. When you're rich you can afford to sleep as much as you want, and that is the real status symbol.
- B1FF_PSUVM 10y ago
  The really powerful people get a nap after lunch.
  - bryanrasmussen 10y ago
    Oh yeah I've totally hacked my sleep patterns with the IRON MAN method!!
Cthulhu_ 10y ago
The "lazy" things are more for those that sleep or laze around a lot during the day, or regularly sleep in for hours. There's no shame in the regular ~8 hours of sleep a day, besides maybe some nocturnal folk that claim to not sleep as much and instead DO ALL THE THINGS at night. They've got their own issues.
basseq 10y ago
I used to hear this kind of humblebrag all the time in consulting: “I was up working until 4am and only got 2 hours of sleep.” Or, “I didn’t go home last night.” Or college: “I pulled an all-nighter finishing that project.” Extend that to pride in working 80+ hours/week for a startup or eating lunch/dinner at your desk. It’s associated with being “a hard worker” or “a go-getter”. I associate it with poor productivity or time management, bad planning or scope management, unrealistic leadership expectations, and/or weak-willed individuals (e.g., unwilling to push back).
- x2f10 10y ago
  >I associate it with poor productivity or time management, bad planning or scope management, unrealistic leadership expectations, and/or weak-willed individuals (e.g., unwilling to push back). Nailed it. It's the same individuals who browse Facebook all day at work that talk about being at work 10+ hours a day.

bryanrasmussen 10y ago

Both are status symbols - how little sleep you are getting but still managing to perform is an often macho status symbol at a certain middle class level. You are living the life and doing big work on very little sleep because you are just that tough and smart. wooooo. however it is only a middle class status symbol. And in quite a lot of middle class jobs it seems required that you do this to stay in the middle class, because if you do take the time to sleep how will you keep up with the Jones' On the other hand if you're poor there is no status symbol associated with getting little sleep, it is just something you often have to do. And if you're rich there isn't any need for you to brag about how you stayed up late on the Andersen case for 4 nights this week, and got that out the door yeah. When you're rich you can afford to sleep as much as you want, and that is the real status symbol.

B1FF_PSUVM 10y ago
The really powerful people get a nap after lunch.
- bryanrasmussen 10y ago
  Oh yeah I've totally hacked my sleep patterns with the IRON MAN method!!

Cthulhu_ 10y ago

The "lazy" things are more for those that sleep or laze around a lot during the day, or regularly sleep in for hours. There's no shame in the regular ~8 hours of sleep a day, besides maybe some nocturnal folk that claim to not sleep as much and instead DO ALL THE THINGS at night. They've got their own issues.

basseq 10y ago

I used to hear this kind of humblebrag all the time in consulting: “I was up working until 4am and only got 2 hours of sleep.” Or, “I didn’t go home last night.” Or college: “I pulled an all-nighter finishing that project.” Extend that to pride in working 80+ hours/week for a startup or eating lunch/dinner at your desk. It’s associated with being “a hard worker” or “a go-getter”. I associate it with poor productivity or time management, bad planning or scope management, unrealistic leadership expectations, and/or weak-willed individuals (e.g., unwilling to push back).

x2f10 10y ago
>I associate it with poor productivity or time management, bad planning or scope management, unrealistic leadership expectations, and/or weak-willed individuals (e.g., unwilling to push back). Nailed it. It's the same individuals who browse Facebook all day at work that talk about being at work 10+ hours a day.