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They lock down the software in their well understood interests: - vendor lock in (this is not good for customers) - safety (testing this stuff is expesive and

They lock down the software in their well understood interests: - vendor lock in (this is not good for customers) - safety (testing this stuff is expesive and lengthy. Every change forces a re-test. They are liable for this stuff) - defending the brand value (if there is an accident because of modified software non-hackers will blame the manufacturer for making it possible) This all weill get worse with neural networks: Imagine people poking around bits in the matrix representing the neural network of the sel-driving AI. They will not have the slightest clue what they are doing, but they don't want their System to be locked down. They download "steering optimizers" and similar stuff from sites and overwrite the neural network. Who will be to blame for the accident because of this? With neural networks even the manufacturer cannot completely understand every nauron's effect on the complete system, as opposed to traditional software. Manufacturers have huge responsibility, and curently only locking software down is their only way to defend themselves.

michaelmrose 10y ago
You are arguing for accepting lockdowns on tractors so that john deere can screw their customers harder based on the safety of systems that don't exist yet. Drivers who cause accidents will end up liable just as they are now.
- kodfodrasz 10y ago
  Except for self driving stuff I was arguing about. We are not yet sure who will be liable for them. Also there is pretty much self driving in some agricultural machines, for use on the fields. But seeing this topic I'd make it possible for farmers to mod their machinery, with a complete loss of warranty. Imagine a modded component accidentally sending false or misleading data on the CAN bus, or not yielding the bus, or simply being incompatible with a component. These scenarios can cause serious troubles. These stuff are not JS frameworks, a page reload does not undo a bad trial and error round. Also the supporting tools are expensive not only for farmers and machine shos, but also for vendors. I remember the price tags for calibrated instruments from my time in automotive industry...
  - michaelmrose 10y ago
    You can't void the warranty unless the modification/repair results in the damage we already made a law for this even.

michaelmrose 10y ago

You are arguing for accepting lockdowns on tractors so that john deere can screw their customers harder based on the safety of systems that don't exist yet. Drivers who cause accidents will end up liable just as they are now.

kodfodrasz 10y ago
Except for self driving stuff I was arguing about. We are not yet sure who will be liable for them. Also there is pretty much self driving in some agricultural machines, for use on the fields. But seeing this topic I'd make it possible for farmers to mod their machinery, with a complete loss of warranty. Imagine a modded component accidentally sending false or misleading data on the CAN bus, or not yielding the bus, or simply being incompatible with a component. These scenarios can cause serious troubles. These stuff are not JS frameworks, a page reload does not undo a bad trial and error round. Also the supporting tools are expensive not only for farmers and machine shos, but also for vendors. I remember the price tags for calibrated instruments from my time in automotive industry...
- michaelmrose 10y ago
  You can't void the warranty unless the modification/repair results in the damage we already made a law for this even.