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At https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14024665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14024665, pjmlp has been propounding the myth that OS/2 required a PS/2.

by JdeBP 10y ago

At https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14024665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14024665, pjmlp has been propounding the myth that OS/2 required a PS/2. This is a myth, untrue of any version. I am surprised to see it still around, a quarter century or more after it was debunked.

pjmlp 10y ago
Myth or not, in 1992 on my hometown it was only possible to get legal OS/2 2.0 copies when buying a PS2. Only one IBM dealer was selling PS2 with them. OS/2 2.0 wasn't nowhere else to be found and I didn't knew anyone to get me a pirate copy of OS/2 2.0 just to try it out on a PC clone. So regardless of you calling me a liar, in 1992 on a small Portuguese town, getting OS/2 2.0 on a legal way, required buying a PS2 with it bundled at the local IBM dealer. And for what I could remeber it was pretty much like that across the country until OS/2 Warp got released.
- JdeBP 10y ago
  One IBM dealer not being willing/permitted to sell you OS/2 pre-loaded on anything other than a PS/2 is a very different thing to OS/2 requiring a PS/2. That you continue to conflate the twain is an error, and a repetition of a long since debunked myth. This was written in 1995, and was far from the first debunking of this myth: * http://www.mit.edu/activities/os2/faq/os2faq0201.html http://www.mit.edu/activities/os2/faq/os2faq0201.html The unwillingness of that one IBM dealer was almost certainly far more to do with the structures of the Microsoft licensing deals for pre-loaded systems than any mythical requirement of a PS/2. This came to light some years later; around the time of the US DOJ anti-trust case. To learn how for a quarter of a century you've erroneously been ascribing things to the myth that OS/2 required a PS/2 when in fact your one IBM dealer was merely part of a larger and complex picture of licensing deals and royalty payments involving pre-loading Windows on IBM machines versus pre-loading anything else, start here: * http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/368660.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/368660.stm * http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06/04/ibm_witness_the_inside_poop/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06/04/ibm_witness_the_insi... There is a lot more to read than just those two, of course.
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    Fair enough, I will look into them.
brudgers 10y ago
I don't understand how this relates to my comment.

by JdeBP 10y ago

pjmlp 10y ago

Myth or not, in 1992 on my hometown it was only possible to get legal OS/2 2.0 copies when buying a PS2. Only one IBM dealer was selling PS2 with them. OS/2 2.0 wasn't nowhere else to be found and I didn't knew anyone to get me a pirate copy of OS/2 2.0 just to try it out on a PC clone. So regardless of you calling me a liar, in 1992 on a small Portuguese town, getting OS/2 2.0 on a legal way, required buying a PS2 with it bundled at the local IBM dealer. And for what I could remeber it was pretty much like that across the country until OS/2 Warp got released.

JdeBP 10y ago
One IBM dealer not being willing/permitted to sell you OS/2 pre-loaded on anything other than a PS/2 is a very different thing to OS/2 requiring a PS/2. That you continue to conflate the twain is an error, and a repetition of a long since debunked myth. This was written in 1995, and was far from the first debunking of this myth: * http://www.mit.edu/activities/os2/faq/os2faq0201.html http://www.mit.edu/activities/os2/faq/os2faq0201.html The unwillingness of that one IBM dealer was almost certainly far more to do with the structures of the Microsoft licensing deals for pre-loaded systems than any mythical requirement of a PS/2. This came to light some years later; around the time of the US DOJ anti-trust case. To learn how for a quarter of a century you've erroneously been ascribing things to the myth that OS/2 required a PS/2 when in fact your one IBM dealer was merely part of a larger and complex picture of licensing deals and royalty payments involving pre-loading Windows on IBM machines versus pre-loading anything else, start here: * http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/368660.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/368660.stm * http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06/04/ibm_witness_the_inside_poop/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06/04/ibm_witness_the_insi... There is a lot more to read than just those two, of course.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Fair enough, I will look into them.

brudgers 10y ago

I don't understand how this relates to my comment.