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The Buzzer
- ErrantX 16y agoI know quite a few interesting Wikipedia entries get posted here but this was a particularly fascinating one! I've spent the best part of an hour learning about numbers stations and fail-deadly game theory :) Great submission. On topic: does anyone have anything extra (link wise) about "The Buzzer", Google searches are mostly leading to conspiracy sites...
- ugh 16y agoSkeptoid has a nice episode on number stations and also “The Buzzer” including audio samples: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4107 http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4107
- sabat 16y agoSorry, but I have to be skeptical about any show that declares itself skeptical. Skepticism isn't good science or good logic; it's just reverse religion. True science does not immediately believe or disbelieve. It investigates dispassionately.
- nso 16y agoYeah, and that is also what Skeptoid promotes.
- wheels 16y agoPhilosophical skepticism implies just that. It's not so much nay-saying as deference to evidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_skepticism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_skepticism
- ugh 16y agoYou have this beautiful (albeit probably incomplete) definition of what being a skeptic means in your comment – I only have to change one word: “True skeptics do not immediately believe or disbelieve.” That would be my definition and I’m pretty sure it would also be one that Brian Dunning (author of the podcast) would accept. What’s wrong with that definition? What wrong with using the word in this way? I know there are a good many conspiracy nuts who abuse the term (which might explain your harsh reaction) but I can assure you that Brian Dunning is not one of them. Try to read or listen to some of his stuff.
- sabat 16y agoRegardless of the dictionary definition, in practice, skeptics immediately disbelieve and then claim they're willing to believe if shown exhaustive proof. Pro Skeptic Michael Shermer, for example, strongly doubted global warming for years, presumably because he could not observe the molecular activity first-hand. Michael is not a scientist. He's just a skeptic.
- Achorny 16y ago"True science does not immediately believe or disbelieve. It investigates dispassionately." You may not like the label they chose for themselves, but that's exactly what the skeptical movement advocates! (skeptoid included)
- jokermatt999 16y agoListen to the show sometime. The guy actually does a pretty good job of doing the research, and is willing to admit when arguments "disproving" conspiracy theories don't work.
- dionysianstanza 16y agoI don't wish to rain too heavily on the potential smug parade that other HN users might be participating in after reading such praise for their collective submission pool, but I thought it might be worth pointing out that this particular topic was posted on 4chan yesterday, subsequently causing quite a stir. This also accounts for the continued vandalism on the wiki entry, as mentioned in some of the comments beneath mine.
- ErrantX 16y agoProbably quite a null point (everything has to be come across through some medium); lots of stuff gets posted to 4chan and little of it makes it here... :-) I'd say it's a pretty good filter.
- pyre 16y agoTrue enough, but I think that blaming HN users for the vandalism isn't quite the whole truth it the article also made the rounds on sites like 4chan, which are known to house wiki vandals.
- zephjc 16y agohttp://brix.wikispot.org/ http://brix.wikispot.org/ was pointed out to me by a friend - it has a collection of a number of the "weird" articles on wikipedia, everything from the "Baghdad Battery" to the "Ordo Templi Orientis"
- bl4k 16y agocurse you. i just came out of a 6+ hour wikipedia binge
- marcusbooster 16y agoIf you haven't heard it, The Conet Project [http://www.archive.org/details/ird059 http://www.archive.org/details/ird059] is a collection of the numbers stations recordings. Pretty neat and eerie.
- mr_justin 16y agoThe Buzzer can be heard on disc 4, track 32 of the Conet Project. The entire collection is a free download. Wilco's Poor Places uses a sample from track 4 of disc 1, which also gave the title to the album, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.
- RevRal 16y ago#79 is my favorite so far. These are really creepy and keep giving me the chills. Going to pass these on to my friend so he can sample them into his music. Wow, these sound so transmundane.
- dzuc 16y agohttp://www.archive.org/details/ird059 http://www.archive.org/details/ird059 is a great archive of numbers station recordings
- dzuc 16y agohttp://www.irdial.com/conet.htm http://www.irdial.com/conet.htm is the official page - note the challenge a bit down the page
- _mattb 16y agoThe Wilco album 'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot' has one such recording on the title track -- a woman repeating 'yankee, hotel, foxtrot..' Edit: Er, there is no title track. The clip comes at the end of 'Poor Places.' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GanNE5LWF4#t=4m35s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GanNE5LWF4#t=4m35s
- petercooper 16y agoThe article speculates that its use as a way of communicating regular instructions to the military is "unlikely considering the station transmitted the simple buzz tone for at least 15 years before any words or numbers were broadcast." Yet: "The station transmits a buzzing sound that lasts 0.8 seconds, pausing for 1–1.3 seconds, and repeating 21–34 times per minute." Given that the transmission even of the "buzz tone" isn't entirely regular, couldn't messages merely be modulated into these varying patterns? The rare portions of speech could just be a red herring.
- DisposableAcct 16y agoThere are a dozen ways to encode a message in that buzz if you don't mind the bandwidth being poor. That is, it will take a long time to send a message of any length. The buzz might also be a cover for the message. There are other considerations. First, it's essential to have a variety of media for transmitting messages. They need to be set up well in advance, so as to be readily available when an operation is set up. By staking out a multitude of such options, an agency is planning well for the future. Next, by spreading their operations out over more channels of comm, they also minimize the risk when one is compromised. One never knows when a channel will be compromised, and at some point some of them will be. By using a variety of channels, including radio, packages (diplomatic and not), tourists, etc., and each channel having sub channels, such as different radio frequencies, different encoding methods, breaking one such method doesn't afford much understanding of the others.
- DisposableAcct 16y agoThe end result is a plethora of channels with little real traffic on them, mostly "reserved for future use". But to avoid traffic analysis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_analysis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_analysis ) dummy traffic fills them.
- anujseth 16y agoThis is the sort of stuff that makes hacker news awesome. Thanks for posting.
- anujseth 16y agoWhy does this keep getting downvoted ? I was fascinated by this article, I've never heard of this before and was expressing genuine excitement.
- nkurz 16y agoIf you like the article, vote it up. If you have something interesting to say about the article, write a comment. Comments praising the article without adding anything interesting to the discussion are frequently downvoted. Telling _why_ you liked the article will likely to get a better response than merely affirming your fascination.
- itistoday 16y agoAnother fascinating, possibly related link based on the hypothesis that this is a dead-man's switch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)
- ebiester 16y agoSo, which of you wise guys did this? http://imgur.com/HIJCj.png http://imgur.com/HIJCj.png
- phreeza 16y agoIn the comments everyone is civil here on HN, but as soon as they're on Wikipedia...
- icey 16y agoOr anywhere else for that matter. I've talked to a bunch of people who have posted apps for review here and had to spend the better part of the next 2 days filtering out obscene submissions on their sites.
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- yread 16y agofor more info see http://www.brogers.dsl.pipex.com/page5.html http://www.brogers.dsl.pipex.com/page5.html
- blackswan 16y agoIt will be interesting to see whether use of these stations declines over the next few decades. Surely global adoption of the internet has made it the easiest place to hide clandestine communication?
- rlpb 16y agoIt's a question of where connectivity is available and how easy it is to track. For example, how do you replace a submarine surfacing somewhere to receive a pre-scheduled radio transmission?
- ruslan 16y agoThey use VLF/ELF to send "message pending" and/or some other very short predefined signals. Russian military transmitter (ZEVS) is still operating on 82Hz frequency and uses Earth as an antenna. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency
- fookyong 16y agothis sounds like viral marketing for JJ Abrams' new movie.
- Tawheed 16y agoClearly they ditched the radio transmission and switched to transmitting secret messages over the Buzz API.
- icefox 16y ago"On June 5, 2010 Chuck Norris breached the compound's walls and shut down the transmitter" don't be a vandal
- shareme 16y agodid you see this in the description: On June 5, 2010 Chuck Norris breached the compound's walls and shut down the transmitter.
- bajsejohannes 16y agoYes. It's someone trying (and failing) to be funny. It has been reverted a couple of times already.
- jrockway 16y agoNo, it's clearly some conspiracy involving spies and movie stars.
- tmsh 16y agoi remember coming across conet before via wilco, fwiw. curious subject. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee_Hotel_Foxtrot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee_Hotel_Foxtrot
- Scott_MacGregor 16y agoYou are assuming it is a "Buzz" because that's what your ears "Hear" after it comes out of a speaker and after being processed by radio receiving equipment of a certain design. Perhaps the "Buzz" is not meant to be a sound anyone hears. Maybe it is something more like a dialup modem tone that is acted upon by something other than a shortwave receiver. Maybe there is more to this noise than just buzzing. Maybe the buzzing is a spurious side effect of some other process going on. Old dialup in audio and visual waveform: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=16475 http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=16475 Do you guys have any thoughts on this?
- cfpg 16y agoAphex Twin style? http://www.bastwood.com/aphex.php http://www.bastwood.com/aphex.php
- Scott_MacGregor 16y agoVery interesting. The old transmitters used to work on AM only, then they came up with SSB. Maybe there is an even deeper layer available that can be encoded. Like putting the entire Cat-In-The-Hat book on one of the cats whiskers in "Songs about my Cats". Isolate just one whisker and then run another process on it. Maybe use shades of color vs soundwaves. This is intriguing.
- sabat 16y agohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnRPZOUVhJ4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnRPZOUVhJ4
- bradgessler 16y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_with_submarines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_with_submarines is so bad ass. The US and Russian Navy were using the Earth an antenna to communicate with their submarines.
- sp332 16y agoYou can also transmit usable amounts of electrical power using the ground as part of the circuit: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3696.en.html http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3696.en.h...
- ck2 16y agoHave there been sightings of a polar bear wandering around? Maybe a crazy French woman?
- th 16y agoLooks like either someone decided to play a prank or by some odd coincidence The Buzzer went offline just now: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/06/06/032235/Mysterious-Radio-Station-UVB-76-Goes-Offline http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/06/06/032235/Mysterious-Ra...
- pyre 16y ago"Chances are, it's a power failure. The area reportedly had a significant storm yesterday. It's possible that the power failed and that they didn't have enough fuel or battery capacity or whatever to keep it running during an extended outage. That would also neatly explain why it reportedly came back and has reportedly died again." http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1676500&cid=32473652 http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1676500&cid=324... Sounds like it might not be a dead-man's switch if it just takes a large storm to knock it out.
- thorax 16y agoWhen I heard about this long ago, I assumed it was just a mechanism they used to remotely monitor some equipment was still running without having to have staff on premises there. Probably remotely detecting power outage or damage was precisely what this is sort of thing was for.
- cool-RR 16y agoWhat happens if you try to knock on their door? Did anyone try this?
- decadentcactus 16y agoYeah I thought the same thing. It's not terribly far from major cities and it's been there for 30 years, somebody must have tried.
- retube 16y agoThis is for ionosphere research, leverages doppler shifting of the broadcast signal. http://elpub.wdcb.ru/journals/rjes/v10/2007ES000227/2.shtml http://elpub.wdcb.ru/journals/rjes/v10/2007ES000227/2.shtml Scroll down to "Doppler Radio Sounding of the Ionosphere", note the broadcast frequency.
- john2x 16y agoL O S T