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Might be, if the lights are in YOUR house. If one's bathroom and hallway lights gets hijacked or disabled remotely, it becomes an immediate safety issue if you'

by Nexxxeh 10y ago

Might be, if the lights are in YOUR house. If one's bathroom and hallway lights gets hijacked or disabled remotely, it becomes an immediate safety issue if you're in that bathroom in the middle of the night. Also are there any protections against cycling them quickly (or really slowly, depending on how you look at it) to trigger seizures? Didn't someone recently get done for sending a seizure-inducing gif to an epileptic?

uxp 10y ago
We're getting into the territory of "Guns don't kill people, people kill people with guns". If someone has Epilepsy this might be a concern, but as the story around the gif sent to Kurt Eichenwald, which you reference, points out gifs don't hurt people, assholes do. It's not IKEA's responsibility to ensure that every product they sell cannot be used in any destructive manner. People have to take responsibility for purchasing and introducing new components into their home, much like I as a software developer have to take responsibility for every line of code that I write which has the potential to have a bug that compromises the system I deploy it on, or enables someone to leak the database the application is connected to. IKEA sells knives, for christ sakes.
- Nexxxeh 10y ago
  No we aren't. Can these items be hijacked, what is the risk of that happening, and what is the damage they can cause? > It's not IKEA's responsibility to ensure that every product they sell cannot be used in any destructive manner. No, but they have a reasonable due of care. I'm not saying that they shouldn't go on sale without the protections I mentioned. But it's surely a reasonable question to ask if those protections are in there, so as to better understand the risks. >People have to take responsibility for purchasing and introducing new components into their home, Yeah, but what ARE the risks? You can't answer my question, so how am I supposed to make an informed decision if I'm epileptic? I know the balance of risks of knives. Everyone does. How many people know the potential risks of Zigbee-connected bulbs with a wifi hub?
lathiat 10y ago
I don't want to alarm anyone, but in many countries someone can walk up and switch off your power from the external meter box. They could even turn it off and on constantly to flash. Just saying #perspective
- Nexxxeh 10y ago
  No-one is flicking my lightswitch from across the globe. The chances of some 4Chan troll doing it are slim.

by Nexxxeh 10y ago

uxp 10y ago

We're getting into the territory of "Guns don't kill people, people kill people with guns". If someone has Epilepsy this might be a concern, but as the story around the gif sent to Kurt Eichenwald, which you reference, points out gifs don't hurt people, assholes do. It's not IKEA's responsibility to ensure that every product they sell cannot be used in any destructive manner. People have to take responsibility for purchasing and introducing new components into their home, much like I as a software developer have to take responsibility for every line of code that I write which has the potential to have a bug that compromises the system I deploy it on, or enables someone to leak the database the application is connected to. IKEA sells knives, for christ sakes.

Nexxxeh 10y ago
No we aren't. Can these items be hijacked, what is the risk of that happening, and what is the damage they can cause? > It's not IKEA's responsibility to ensure that every product they sell cannot be used in any destructive manner. No, but they have a reasonable due of care. I'm not saying that they shouldn't go on sale without the protections I mentioned. But it's surely a reasonable question to ask if those protections are in there, so as to better understand the risks. >People have to take responsibility for purchasing and introducing new components into their home, Yeah, but what ARE the risks? You can't answer my question, so how am I supposed to make an informed decision if I'm epileptic? I know the balance of risks of knives. Everyone does. How many people know the potential risks of Zigbee-connected bulbs with a wifi hub?

lathiat 10y ago

I don't want to alarm anyone, but in many countries someone can walk up and switch off your power from the external meter box. They could even turn it off and on constantly to flash. Just saying #perspective

Nexxxeh 10y ago
No-one is flicking my lightswitch from across the globe. The chances of some 4Chan troll doing it are slim.