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Please if you can try , try Ayurveda intensive treatment for 10 days and then followup with 3 months medicine. I tired after Resperonics devices etc . It is gon

Please if you can try , try Ayurveda intensive treatment for 10 days and then followup with 3 months medicine. I tired after Resperonics devices etc . It is gone now , habit-ed sleep on side as well as that helps too. It is was bloody cheap in India for me but you should be able to take 10 days leave if you outside India and come and get this done. Please choose good hospital.

Hydraulix989 10y ago
Sounds like pseudoscience, not helpful, sorry. Remember, obstructive sleep apnea is caused by a physical _obstruction_. You need to either address the obstruction by splinting it open using pressurized air (CPAP) or by physically making more room via surgical techniques. Ingesting herbs doesn't address anything in terms of there being an obstruction, so it doesn't treat sleep apnea. EDIT: Why am I getting downvoted? I am suffering from a debilitating medical disorder, and people are suggesting I need to drink snake oil or accept the flying spaghetti monster in order to heal myself. Of course, I am going to get a little upset. Please try to understand my perspective.
- colordrops 10y ago
  You are getting downvoted because you are speaking like you are the authority on truth and also comparing an ancient traditional health system to a petty joke.
  - Hydraulix989 10y ago
    The authority on truth is the data itself -- my polysomnogram that shows I stop breathing 30 times an hour in my sleep when my tongue collapses, and then this number becomes 2 with CPAP. Like most technologists who frequent this site, I'm all for following the scientific method and gathering data through repeatable experiments that test hypotheses, and I'm against petty tradition ("we've always done it this way" is a very counterproductive/backwards way of thinking that also precludes progress -- as an entrepreneurial community, we tend to think differently and to challenge established beliefs here on HN).
    - colordrops 10y ago
      Your mistake is assuming that traditional systems can't be empirical or otherwise based in efficacy.
      - sambeau 10y ago
        Could you provide some links to the scientific studies that led you to your conclusions? I'd be very interested in reading them.
        colordrops 10y ago
        My whole point is that there are systems other than modern science that are valid and effective, so the logic is a bit circular to want sceintific studies to prove that. These systems use a different epistemology and to use science as your only filter in life is extremely limiting. Nevertheless, I will still provide you with some samples of evidence (these are high level summaries but actual studies are linked within: Meditation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation Yoga: https://nccih.nih.gov/health/yoga/introduction.htm#hed5 https://nccih.nih.gov/health/yoga/introduction.htm#hed5 Acupuncture: https://nccih.nih.gov/health/acupuncture/introduction#hed3 https://nccih.nih.gov/health/acupuncture/introduction#hed3
        Hydraulix989 10y ago
        I'm not denying that there might be health benefits for meditation and yoga. Indeed, you can verify them using science. Having your claims stand up to repeatable tests is establishing their very veracity. There is no circular reasoning ("but you see, my claims won't pass these tests because they are not testable" is not a valid argument). I just don't see how any of these can _possibly_ resolve _obstructive_ sleep apnea. For example, if you have a large tongue and it collapses in your sleep, I don't see how you can solve that by meditating. That's physically impossible. It's very easy to see whether something has any sort of effect on your apnea; you sleep every night, and the difference is readily noticeable.

Hydraulix989 10y ago

Sounds like pseudoscience, not helpful, sorry. Remember, obstructive sleep apnea is caused by a physical _obstruction_. You need to either address the obstruction by splinting it open using pressurized air (CPAP) or by physically making more room via surgical techniques. Ingesting herbs doesn't address anything in terms of there being an obstruction, so it doesn't treat sleep apnea. EDIT: Why am I getting downvoted? I am suffering from a debilitating medical disorder, and people are suggesting I need to drink snake oil or accept the flying spaghetti monster in order to heal myself. Of course, I am going to get a little upset. Please try to understand my perspective.

colordrops 10y ago
You are getting downvoted because you are speaking like you are the authority on truth and also comparing an ancient traditional health system to a petty joke.
- Hydraulix989 10y ago
  The authority on truth is the data itself -- my polysomnogram that shows I stop breathing 30 times an hour in my sleep when my tongue collapses, and then this number becomes 2 with CPAP. Like most technologists who frequent this site, I'm all for following the scientific method and gathering data through repeatable experiments that test hypotheses, and I'm against petty tradition ("we've always done it this way" is a very counterproductive/backwards way of thinking that also precludes progress -- as an entrepreneurial community, we tend to think differently and to challenge established beliefs here on HN).
  - colordrops 10y ago
    Your mistake is assuming that traditional systems can't be empirical or otherwise based in efficacy.
    - sambeau 10y ago
      Could you provide some links to the scientific studies that led you to your conclusions? I'd be very interested in reading them.
      - colordrops 10y ago
        My whole point is that there are systems other than modern science that are valid and effective, so the logic is a bit circular to want sceintific studies to prove that. These systems use a different epistemology and to use science as your only filter in life is extremely limiting. Nevertheless, I will still provide you with some samples of evidence (these are high level summaries but actual studies are linked within: Meditation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation Yoga: https://nccih.nih.gov/health/yoga/introduction.htm#hed5 https://nccih.nih.gov/health/yoga/introduction.htm#hed5 Acupuncture: https://nccih.nih.gov/health/acupuncture/introduction#hed3 https://nccih.nih.gov/health/acupuncture/introduction#hed3
        Hydraulix989 10y ago
        I'm not denying that there might be health benefits for meditation and yoga. Indeed, you can verify them using science. Having your claims stand up to repeatable tests is establishing their very veracity. There is no circular reasoning ("but you see, my claims won't pass these tests because they are not testable" is not a valid argument). I just don't see how any of these can _possibly_ resolve _obstructive_ sleep apnea. For example, if you have a large tongue and it collapses in your sleep, I don't see how you can solve that by meditating. That's physically impossible. It's very easy to see whether something has any sort of effect on your apnea; you sleep every night, and the difference is readily noticeable.