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"Yet the fact that that link is providing uncomfortable information contrary to that provided by Jobs has caused it to be annihilated by downvotes" No, I think

• elblanco 16y ago
  I was going to post a protracted point for point response, but decided I wasn't in the mood for yet another lengthy internet battle with an obvious zealot which will probably end up in a Godwin law violation or a comparison of digital phalli or some such. You've made some good points, some bad, I disagree with most, agree with others (and learned a few things from your response, thanks for the corrections). You've successfully demonstrated using a search engine for finding archived posts without demonstrating that those posts reached the front page. Well done. It's obvious that Adobe is a sorry pitiful place that produces slipshod software that blights the Internet and our computers with its presence -- from the 150 slider widgets in Photoshop to Flash. This has been true for a decade or more. You'll get no argument from me. However, Apple also has a lot to answer for. Just because its principle computing platform isn't terribly popular, so it's less likely to be a target, doesn't make it more secure ("we're secure because nobody uses us!" is not a terribly good selling point). The sec community has long standing grievances with the slow pace of security patches Apple puts out. Jobs has likewise generally remained silent on this matter. You may continue feeling slighted by even the slightest of finger-pointing at Apple even if it's not intended as Apple bashing. A strong and vibrant Apple, as a viable competitor, is good for several industries. Hanging off of every word Steve Jobs says as perfect and without flaw is not. Enjoy the rest of the weekend.
  • ptomato 16y ago
    "...lengthy internet battle with an obvious zealot which will probably end up in a Godwin law violation or a comparison of digital phalli or some such." There should probably be some law about those who attempt to preemptively invoke Godwin's law. "You've successfully demonstrated using a search engine for finding archived posts without demonstrating that those posts reached the front page." Up until fairly recently in the history of HN, at least, pretty much any post with point count > 10 has been on the front page. Looking at the front page currently there's a couple at 3 or 6. I think most of the examples I linked were 20+ which means they were almost certainly on the front page for a while. "Apple also has a lot to answer for." You're the one who keeps trying to make this be about Apple. It's not, it's about a Flash exploit. Trying to force the relationship says far more then you then anything else. "You may continue feeling slighted by even the slightest of finger-pointing at Apple even if it's not intended as Apple bashing." I'm not slighted, I'm just pointing out that you're not really communicating in a relevant manner to the thread. "Hanging off of every word Steve Jobs says as perfect and without flaw is not." I agree with some things Apple does and not others. (No Flash on iPad/iPhone: agree, Adobe has yet to demonstrate the capability for Flash to run in a good manner on mobile devices, and if either of those were waiting for that neither would have been released yet. 3.3.1: sticks in my craw, even though I have a sneaking suspicion it may be best for the platform certainly not best for developers. App Store as only distribution channel: Again, good for the platform and endusers, not for developers, sideloading should be allowed.) Certainly the HN community as a whole, I'd say, has a few more vocal critics of Apple of late than vocal supporters.