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I was hopeful at first. A large VC funded company with a big full time team should run circles around a small open source effort, but their security is still wa
by zedred 9y ago
I was hopeful at first. A large VC funded company with a big full time team should run circles around a small open source effort, but their security is still way behind Signal. I was also quickly put off by their "less than honest" marketing.
- walterbell 9y agoCould you share details on "security is still way behind Signal"? Edit: found previous discussion, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13132157 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13132157
- zedred 9y agoI haven't directly explored the source for either in little while, so I should take a new look. I might be a little out of date, but the things that I have seen second hand recently confirmed my earlier conclusions. Like I recently saw an announcement from Wire that calls are now secure, but they had been advertising them as secure all along! I had even spent time looking through the code but didn't know that calls weren't authenticated. Now are they really secure? I don't know, they said that before too, and the source is so hard to follow. Then I saw a post that showed they weren't even doing cert pinning, which is so basic. I wanted to like it, but the more I looked the more I felt like "security" was just sprinkled on as an after thought.
- walterbell 9y agoDid you see that they implemented CBR for audio calls and submitted patches to both Signal and WebRTC? https://medium.com/@wireapp/call-security-constant-bit-rate-encoding-and-improving-webrtc-a85be6caa43a https://medium.com/@wireapp/call-security-constant-bit-rate-...
- JshWright 9y agoIn 2017... CBR has been a thing in secure calling apps for ~5 years now.
- walterbell 9y agoCan you recommend some iOS/Android apps which support CBR?
- JshWright 9y agoSilent Phone is both Android and iOS compatible, and we have used CBR codecs since we launched (in 2012).
- walterbell 9y agoThanks for the pointer ($10/month), did not know this was available without buying a Blackphone.
- Siimteller 9y agoCare to name one?
- JshWright 9y agoSilent Phone (disclosure: I am an employee)
- Propen 9y agohttps://techcrunch.com/2017/02/10/messaging-app-wire-now-has-an-external-audit-of-its-e2e-crypto/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/10/messaging-app-wire-now-has...