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Almost certainly what a Russian disinformation campaign would include. But you cannot easily hide motives and attack patterns. These kind of campaigns scream Ru
by jorblumesea 10y ago
Almost certainly what a Russian disinformation campaign would include. But you cannot easily hide motives and attack patterns. These kind of campaigns scream Russia, no one else in the world operates like them or could operate like them. Almost everyone in the intelligence circles include Snowden agrees they are Russian. Smells like a duck, quacks like a duck...
- mirimir 10y agoWell, if it's so obvious to you, then you could easily copy it. And so, why not someone else?
- jorblumesea 10y agoIt's not easily copied, that's my point. The MO of this campaign (and others) isn't easily done, which is why it's easy to narrow down suspects. There are only a few possible intelligence agencies that could do something like this and only Russia has the motive.
- mirimir 10y agoYou can't have it both ways. If it's so easy to spot, it's easy to emulate. And how can you rely on motives? What you have is evidence, from which you infer motives. When there's so much avowed certainty with such subjective evidence, one must suspect an agenda.
- jorblumesea 10y agoI'm not sure that's fair to say, you can recognize patterns, spot and attempt to emulate something, but that doesn't mean you actually are doing it correctly. Lots of militaries try to emulate the US military but cannot. Operational expertise, tempo and other factors are really difficult to nail down and something that's developed over time and with practice. I think what you're saying is fair, but the only nation state actors with the right combination of evidence, agenda and motives would be Russia. Who else?
- mirimir 10y agoMaybe the US, trying to manipulate itself against Russia.
- zzzcpan 10y agoSo, you are suggesting that TheShadowBrokers is a CIA effort, right? And that they elected Trump too to destroy Russia?
- mirimir 10y agoMaybe I've missed some key evidence here, but how do we know that the same entity is behind both TheShadowBrokers and the efforts to get Trump elected? I do suspect a new level to the Cold War, where "Russia" was disrupting US society through many channels. Including, for example, Mad Magazine and then The Realist. We also know that "the US" was manipulating the postmodern art scene. Organizing groups, publishing magazines, etc. But maybe I've been manipulated to think that, by some third party, which has an interest in global disorder. It's very hard to find reliable information, when nothing is what it seems.