4 ms·

A beginner to what? If they've never used a computer before, what are they comparing it to? If they're a Windows user wouldn't they have to make some adjustment

by yarrel 10y ago

A beginner to what? If they've never used a computer before, what are they comparing it to? If they're a Windows user wouldn't they have to make some adjustments to use macOS or iOS? If they're a Unity user they will just do what Canonical tell them to. The only problems from your list that I recognise are bluetooth, which is no longer a problem, and the hot corner. The hot corner is bad interface design and needs fixing.

dmitrygr 10y ago
Are you being intentionally dense? until GNOME is the dominant desktop experience in the world, "beginner" in this context means anyone coming from a dominant desktop experience: Windows, MacOS. Or perhaps from another prevalent paradigm users are familiar with: iOS, Android. And yes, GP post is correct - Gnome shell is entirely unintuitive unless you either (1) are forced to make peace with it and eventually learn its quirks or (2) already somehow know how it works
- teh_klev 10y ago
  > Are you being intentionally dense? Really? We don't speak to each other like that around here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html * Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation. Avoid gratuitous negativity. * When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names.
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
chme 10y ago
I would say a he meant a "beginner of gnome 3". But I have given gnome 3 a fair chance and was quite happy with it for a while, but then I updated it and all my addons and themes were no longer usable. That annoyed me and I change the desktop. So I would say that not only beginner of gnome 3 have problems with it. But also many people that already have expectations to a desktop environment.
sametmax 10y ago
I install Ubuntu on my mother's computer and my flatemate's. They don't know jack about computers. They start "the internet". Unity was easy to use for them. Gnome, really, really not. I'm not trying to debate if those are a problem with you because there is not debate. I witnessed it. I know I'm right. People loving gnome shell are all computer literate. But we are a minority. Most people don't know how to use alt-tab. I repeat. Most people don't know how to use alt-tab. Get down from your ivory tower, computing is now main stream. And Ubuntu targets noobs. That's the whole point of it, make Linux usable for the many.
chris_wot 10y ago
A Windows user has had to relearn their desktop UI every few years anyway since Windows 8, and whilst Windows 8 largely bombed, 8.1 and 10 have not. Perhaps putting icons back in the desktop by default might be a good default setting tweak that distributions can do. I never quite understood the reasoning behind removing icons, seems to leave a it if unecessary empty space that can be used for something useful.

by yarrel 10y ago

dmitrygr 10y ago

Are you being intentionally dense? until GNOME is the dominant desktop experience in the world, "beginner" in this context means anyone coming from a dominant desktop experience: Windows, MacOS. Or perhaps from another prevalent paradigm users are familiar with: iOS, Android. And yes, GP post is correct - Gnome shell is entirely unintuitive unless you either (1) are forced to make peace with it and eventually learn its quirks or (2) already somehow know how it works

teh_klev 10y ago
> Are you being intentionally dense? Really? We don't speak to each other like that around here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html * Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation. Avoid gratuitous negativity. * When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]

chme 10y ago

I would say a he meant a "beginner of gnome 3". But I have given gnome 3 a fair chance and was quite happy with it for a while, but then I updated it and all my addons and themes were no longer usable. That annoyed me and I change the desktop. So I would say that not only beginner of gnome 3 have problems with it. But also many people that already have expectations to a desktop environment.

sametmax 10y ago

I install Ubuntu on my mother's computer and my flatemate's. They don't know jack about computers. They start "the internet". Unity was easy to use for them. Gnome, really, really not. I'm not trying to debate if those are a problem with you because there is not debate. I witnessed it. I know I'm right. People loving gnome shell are all computer literate. But we are a minority. Most people don't know how to use alt-tab. I repeat. Most people don't know how to use alt-tab. Get down from your ivory tower, computing is now main stream. And Ubuntu targets noobs. That's the whole point of it, make Linux usable for the many.

chris_wot 10y ago

A Windows user has had to relearn their desktop UI every few years anyway since Windows 8, and whilst Windows 8 largely bombed, 8.1 and 10 have not. Perhaps putting icons back in the desktop by default might be a good default setting tweak that distributions can do. I never quite understood the reasoning behind removing icons, seems to leave a it if unecessary empty space that can be used for something useful.