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Yeah, because it masked my main point. I'm happy to answer for it though. That "general belief" is simply another systematic problem. I've left the workforce

Yeah, because it masked my main point. I'm happy to answer for it though. That "general belief" is simply another systematic problem. I've left the workforce numerous times to go do something interesting (defining the initial parameters of a new human life definitely fall into this category, but that's not the only social construction that can pull women out of the workforce), and it's increased my skill-set every time. As a result the idea that a gap on someone's CV is a negative is grossly antithetical to me when hiring, but I've heard it far too often from other managers who expect their teams to be, essentially, slaves to a corporate machine. My point of view on gender role & pay disparity reinforcement mechanisms in institutional structures is often dramatically unpopular with traditional managers, but since my teams get results I don't care.

coldtea 10y ago
>I've left the workforce numerous times to go do something interesting (defining the initial parameters of a new human life definitely fall into this category, but that's not the only social construction that can pull women out of the workforce), and it's increased my skill-set every time. Well, these are not the types of leaves we're discussing. Besides this is anecdotal at best. It's not like most "gaps on a CV" lead to "increased skill-sets".
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- inopinatus 10y ago
  It is exactly what I'm discussing. Most gaps on a CV are due to someone going off to do something else interesting, like study, or see the world and meet new types of people, or to deal with some major life challenge or event, all of which I correlate to increased professional utility. If someone can't see or use that, they're a poor manager.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    Studying? Major life challenges? Those are not the kinds of gaps that are applicable to this discussion. The gaps the parents alludes to are taking time off working to be with the kids and such. And those are not especially correlated to any "increased professional utility". And even the ones you mention, with the exception of studing, most of what you described would still be either irrelevant or detrimental to "professional utility". The typical white-upper-middle-class "trip to see the world" is more of a Gen-X/millenial cliche than some eye-opening cultural experience.
    - inopinatus 10y ago
      You clearly have some entrenched (and false) opinions about how talent and capability develops, some huge blind spots about the reasons for women's moves in and out of the workforce, and deep preconceptions about what people should and shouldn't be doing. Since that reveals a rigid thinker, I will not bother to debate.
      - coldtea 10y ago
        Yeah, the kind of "deep preconceptions" that are based on actual reality... http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/01/women-more-than-men-adjust-their-careers-for-family-life/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/01/women-more-t...
        novia 10y ago
        From your linked article: >Part of this is due to the fact that gender roles are lagging behind labor force trends. The study you linked looked specifically at the USA, which is very much behind the rest of the civilized world when it comes to gender equality. Other countries have solved this problem of gender discrimination by mandating paternity leave as well as maternity leave.

coldtea 10y ago

>I've left the workforce numerous times to go do something interesting (defining the initial parameters of a new human life definitely fall into this category, but that's not the only social construction that can pull women out of the workforce), and it's increased my skill-set every time. Well, these are not the types of leaves we're discussing. Besides this is anecdotal at best. It's not like most "gaps on a CV" lead to "increased skill-sets".

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inopinatus 10y ago
It is exactly what I'm discussing. Most gaps on a CV are due to someone going off to do something else interesting, like study, or see the world and meet new types of people, or to deal with some major life challenge or event, all of which I correlate to increased professional utility. If someone can't see or use that, they're a poor manager.
- coldtea 10y ago
  Studying? Major life challenges? Those are not the kinds of gaps that are applicable to this discussion. The gaps the parents alludes to are taking time off working to be with the kids and such. And those are not especially correlated to any "increased professional utility". And even the ones you mention, with the exception of studing, most of what you described would still be either irrelevant or detrimental to "professional utility". The typical white-upper-middle-class "trip to see the world" is more of a Gen-X/millenial cliche than some eye-opening cultural experience.
  - inopinatus 10y ago
    You clearly have some entrenched (and false) opinions about how talent and capability develops, some huge blind spots about the reasons for women's moves in and out of the workforce, and deep preconceptions about what people should and shouldn't be doing. Since that reveals a rigid thinker, I will not bother to debate.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      Yeah, the kind of "deep preconceptions" that are based on actual reality... http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/01/women-more-than-men-adjust-their-careers-for-family-life/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/01/women-more-t...
      - novia 10y ago
        From your linked article: >Part of this is due to the fact that gender roles are lagging behind labor force trends. The study you linked looked specifically at the USA, which is very much behind the rest of the civilized world when it comes to gender equality. Other countries have solved this problem of gender discrimination by mandating paternity leave as well as maternity leave.