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Bin overflowing. A wrapper under the bed. Hey, we're not talking about used needles and shit stains on the wall. This was a civilized night, they used protectio

Bin overflowing. A wrapper under the bed. Hey, we're not talking about used needles and shit stains on the wall. This was a civilized night, they used protection, had some good wine and Prosecco... There is really nothing wrong with that, other than it might be a grayzone in airbnbs terms and the criminalization of prostitution...

anjc 10y ago
I wouldn't give two shits whether they used protection or not and couldn't care less if they ruin their life with drugs. They underhandedly used a person's house for illegal activity and left the owner to clean up afterwards. There's really no excusing it by trying to make it seem like a bunch of kids having a cool fun time. And the criminalisation of prostitution isn't a grey area, it's the law in that jurisdiction.
- foldr 10y ago
  >And the criminalisation of prostitution isn't a grey area, it's the law in that jurisdiction. No. Prostitution per se is not against the law in the UK (except in Northern Ireland).
  - anjc 10y ago
    The prostitute might not be culpable for the sexual act itself but every activity surrounding prostitution is illegal. Soliciting, using a brothel, pimping, paying a prostitute etc. There's no getting around the fact that this guy's place was used for illegal activity.
    - foldr 10y ago
      No, paying a prostitute is not illegal in the UK. As for the rest, that's why the OP said "grey area". It's not entirely clear that they were doing any of the other stuff. See e.g. the 'legality' section in the following Wikipedia article. It's not black and white whether or not anything illegal was going on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soho_walk-up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soho_walk-up
      - anjc 10y ago
        Yeah the legality section just repeats what I said above...it's only a grey area in that case because of the configuration and usage of the premises. In this case the guy's house was used as a brothel by multiple prostitutes...illegal, those prostitutes solicited customers...illegal, if they have a manager...illegal, if they have a manager and they were paid...illegal... It's not a grey area at all. And paying for prostitutes is illegal full stop in NI and Ireland, and is illegal in the case that they have a pimp in Great Britain
        foldr 10y ago
        The legality section doesn’t repeat what you said above. You made the inaccurate assertion that paying for a prostitute is illegal in the relevant jurisdiction, which it is not. I have no idea why you’re bringing up Northern Ireland and Ireland now, as this event didn’t happen in those jurisdictions. We have no way of knowing that the prostitutes engaged in soliciting. “Soliciting” doesn’t just mean “finding someone to pay you for sex”, it has a specific meaning to do with advertising for sex in a public place. If the prostitutes met their clients by, e.g., chatting to guys online, then that would not count as soliciting. Similarly, we have no way of knowing that more that more than one woman actually had sex on the premises, or that the prostitutes have a pimp. So this is at worst a grey area in terms of legality. And it’s effectively straight-up legal, given that the police have made no attempt for decades to target this kind of prostitution via laws against pimping/soliciting/whatever, since it’s impossible for them to construct a prosecutable case.
        anjc 10y ago
        You said that it wasn't illegal to pay for prostitutes in the UK. NI is in the UK which is why I mentioned it. It's illegal to pay for prostitutes in NI full stop. And again, it IS illegal to pay prostitutes in the entire UK under certain circumstances (they have a pimp, they were trafficked, they're under duress). He said there were two prostitutes listed as guests, and that they advertised their services and rates online, which can be classed as solicitation.

anjc 10y ago

I wouldn't give two shits whether they used protection or not and couldn't care less if they ruin their life with drugs. They underhandedly used a person's house for illegal activity and left the owner to clean up afterwards. There's really no excusing it by trying to make it seem like a bunch of kids having a cool fun time. And the criminalisation of prostitution isn't a grey area, it's the law in that jurisdiction.

foldr 10y ago
>And the criminalisation of prostitution isn't a grey area, it's the law in that jurisdiction. No. Prostitution per se is not against the law in the UK (except in Northern Ireland).
- anjc 10y ago
  The prostitute might not be culpable for the sexual act itself but every activity surrounding prostitution is illegal. Soliciting, using a brothel, pimping, paying a prostitute etc. There's no getting around the fact that this guy's place was used for illegal activity.
  - foldr 10y ago
    No, paying a prostitute is not illegal in the UK. As for the rest, that's why the OP said "grey area". It's not entirely clear that they were doing any of the other stuff. See e.g. the 'legality' section in the following Wikipedia article. It's not black and white whether or not anything illegal was going on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soho_walk-up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soho_walk-up
    - anjc 10y ago
      Yeah the legality section just repeats what I said above...it's only a grey area in that case because of the configuration and usage of the premises. In this case the guy's house was used as a brothel by multiple prostitutes...illegal, those prostitutes solicited customers...illegal, if they have a manager...illegal, if they have a manager and they were paid...illegal... It's not a grey area at all. And paying for prostitutes is illegal full stop in NI and Ireland, and is illegal in the case that they have a pimp in Great Britain
      - foldr 10y ago
        The legality section doesn’t repeat what you said above. You made the inaccurate assertion that paying for a prostitute is illegal in the relevant jurisdiction, which it is not. I have no idea why you’re bringing up Northern Ireland and Ireland now, as this event didn’t happen in those jurisdictions. We have no way of knowing that the prostitutes engaged in soliciting. “Soliciting” doesn’t just mean “finding someone to pay you for sex”, it has a specific meaning to do with advertising for sex in a public place. If the prostitutes met their clients by, e.g., chatting to guys online, then that would not count as soliciting. Similarly, we have no way of knowing that more that more than one woman actually had sex on the premises, or that the prostitutes have a pimp. So this is at worst a grey area in terms of legality. And it’s effectively straight-up legal, given that the police have made no attempt for decades to target this kind of prostitution via laws against pimping/soliciting/whatever, since it’s impossible for them to construct a prosecutable case.
        anjc 10y ago
        You said that it wasn't illegal to pay for prostitutes in the UK. NI is in the UK which is why I mentioned it. It's illegal to pay for prostitutes in NI full stop. And again, it IS illegal to pay prostitutes in the entire UK under certain circumstances (they have a pimp, they were trafficked, they're under duress). He said there were two prostitutes listed as guests, and that they advertised their services and rates online, which can be classed as solicitation.