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For those who are interested in some of the details of the work that's going on, Lin Clark's recent talk on "A Cartoon Intro to Fiber" at ReactConf 2017 is exce

For those who are interested in some of the details of the work that's going on, Lin Clark's recent talk on "A Cartoon Intro to Fiber" at ReactConf 2017 is excellent [0]. There's a number of other existing writeups and resources on how Fiber works [1] as well. The roadmap for 15.5 and 16.0 migration is at [2], and the follow-up issue discussing the plan for the "addons" packages is at [3]. I'll also toss out my usual reminder that I keep a big list of links to high-quality tutorials and articles on React, Redux, and related topics, at https://github.com/markerikson/react-redux-links https://github.com/markerikson/react-redux-links . Specifically intended to be a great starting point for anyone trying to learn the ecosystem, as well as a solid source of good info on more advanced topics. Finally, the Reactiflux chat channels on Discord are a great place to hang out, ask questions, and learn. The invite link is at https://www.reactiflux.com https://www.reactiflux.com . [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCuYPiUIONs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCuYPiUIONs [1] https://github.com/markerikson/react-redux-links/blob/master/react-implementation.md#react-fiber https://github.com/markerikson/react-redux-links/blob/master... [2] https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/8854 https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/8854 [3] https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/9207 https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/9207

STRML 10y ago
I was in awe the entire time Lin was speaking. Not a single "um" or other verbal tic; she's an incredible speaker and was admirably lucid throughout that entire talk. That's so difficult to do. And style aside, she made understanding Fiber incredibly simple. Just wanted to express my admiration for her work and gratitude for making this information public, available, and free.
- acemarke 10y ago
  Absolutely. She's also responsible for a slew of other "Code Cartoons" writeups ( https://code-cartoons.com/ https://code-cartoons.com/ ) including Flux, Redux, Hot Reloading, and Relay, and she also wrote an incredibly good 6-part dive into WebAssembly ( https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/02/a-cartoon-intro-to-webassembly/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/02/a-cartoon-intro-to-webasse... ).
- justonepost 10y ago
  I dunno if verbal tics are necessarily the metric to use for great presentations. I know some folks who stumble constantly but present ideas that are pretty incredible. Some people just have amazing recall and can fluidly spew out facts and conclusions. Some people can present compelling ideas they have thought of that no one else but struggle on the vocalization.
  - jordanb 10y ago
    Yeah and some people use them to their advantage. For instance, notice that President Obama uses "umms" to ensure that he's never not making a sound. Makes it harder for an interlocutor to interrupt.
    - Doradus 10y ago
      Huh? That's funny--I would have said the opposite. It was from watching Obama's speeches that I learned that silent pauses can be much less annoying than "umms". If you want to see someone using a lot of "umms", watch Justin Trudeau.
      - jordanb 10y ago
        He speaks very differently during Q/A sessions than during speeches. During Q/A he's never not making a sound.
- captain_crabs 10y ago
  Your comment made me want to watch the video. And she does "uhh" at 3:50. But I suck, this talk was great, she's a really good speaker, thanks for weirdly convincing me to watch this
- tekacs 10y ago
  As someone who talks quite (very?) fast and has to carefully slow down for public speaking... ... I found Lin's style of speaking very difficult to listen to. I appreciate the professionalism of the approach (if that's what it is), but if only by a small margin (perhaps 10-20%), I found her speaking too slow to the point that I wanted to skip forward constantly and would have found it difficult to pay attention to in person. :/ Perhaps this might be about the structuring of information as well (I'm familiar with much of what's being talked about). That said however, I've historically found that when listening to really good speakers, I find it easy to sit and have explained to me things that I already know well - so I'm not sure what's happening here.
  - jozan 10y ago
    Youtube player has a setting for playback speed. I almost always watch YT videos in 2x speed or more.
    - Lorin 10y ago
      There is also a minimal Chrome extension called 'Video Speed Controller' that brings this functionality to all HTML5 videos with a bit more granularity. It's invaluable.
- markc 10y ago
  Terrific presentation and speaker style - I couldn't come close - but she has at least one very common verbal tic that was pointed out in my own speaking style, and now it galls constantly. That's starting a sentence or phrase with a gratuitous "so". I don't mind if "so" starts a sentence as long as it really means "therefore" but most of Lin's instances don't qualify. Her "so" affliction is really pretty low compared to most public speakers, but it is there.
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STRML 10y ago

I was in awe the entire time Lin was speaking. Not a single "um" or other verbal tic; she's an incredible speaker and was admirably lucid throughout that entire talk. That's so difficult to do. And style aside, she made understanding Fiber incredibly simple. Just wanted to express my admiration for her work and gratitude for making this information public, available, and free.

acemarke 10y ago
Absolutely. She's also responsible for a slew of other "Code Cartoons" writeups ( https://code-cartoons.com/ https://code-cartoons.com/ ) including Flux, Redux, Hot Reloading, and Relay, and she also wrote an incredibly good 6-part dive into WebAssembly ( https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/02/a-cartoon-intro-to-webassembly/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/02/a-cartoon-intro-to-webasse... ).
justonepost 10y ago
I dunno if verbal tics are necessarily the metric to use for great presentations. I know some folks who stumble constantly but present ideas that are pretty incredible. Some people just have amazing recall and can fluidly spew out facts and conclusions. Some people can present compelling ideas they have thought of that no one else but struggle on the vocalization.
- jordanb 10y ago
  Yeah and some people use them to their advantage. For instance, notice that President Obama uses "umms" to ensure that he's never not making a sound. Makes it harder for an interlocutor to interrupt.
  - Doradus 10y ago
    Huh? That's funny--I would have said the opposite. It was from watching Obama's speeches that I learned that silent pauses can be much less annoying than "umms". If you want to see someone using a lot of "umms", watch Justin Trudeau.
    - jordanb 10y ago
      He speaks very differently during Q/A sessions than during speeches. During Q/A he's never not making a sound.
captain_crabs 10y ago
Your comment made me want to watch the video. And she does "uhh" at 3:50. But I suck, this talk was great, she's a really good speaker, thanks for weirdly convincing me to watch this
tekacs 10y ago
As someone who talks quite (very?) fast and has to carefully slow down for public speaking... ... I found Lin's style of speaking very difficult to listen to. I appreciate the professionalism of the approach (if that's what it is), but if only by a small margin (perhaps 10-20%), I found her speaking too slow to the point that I wanted to skip forward constantly and would have found it difficult to pay attention to in person. :/ Perhaps this might be about the structuring of information as well (I'm familiar with much of what's being talked about). That said however, I've historically found that when listening to really good speakers, I find it easy to sit and have explained to me things that I already know well - so I'm not sure what's happening here.
- jozan 10y ago
  Youtube player has a setting for playback speed. I almost always watch YT videos in 2x speed or more.
  - Lorin 10y ago
    There is also a minimal Chrome extension called 'Video Speed Controller' that brings this functionality to all HTML5 videos with a bit more granularity. It's invaluable.
markc 10y ago
Terrific presentation and speaker style - I couldn't come close - but she has at least one very common verbal tic that was pointed out in my own speaking style, and now it galls constantly. That's starting a sentence or phrase with a gratuitous "so". I don't mind if "so" starts a sentence as long as it really means "therefore" but most of Lin's instances don't qualify. Her "so" affliction is really pretty low compared to most public speakers, but it is there.

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