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Are you seriously arguing that we should not expect any privacy at all just because where people store their information has evolved over the past half century?

Are you seriously arguing that we should not expect any privacy at all just because where people store their information has evolved over the past half century? In 1973 and in 2017 your suitcase could contain a gun. searching and backing up the contents of your cellphone has nothing to do with preventing a weapon coming on board. There is a legitimate reason to search luggage, there is absolutely no reason to know the intimate contents of someone's device at the border. At most, x-ray the device to ensure it's not a bomb, otherwise stay the fuck out of my personal business.

leereeves 10y ago
I'm arguing that we shouldn't expect more privacy simply because we've started storing our secrets electronically instead of on paper. Even in 1973 people had private info they didn't want the government to see, yet the Court decided other concerns overrode the Fourth Amendment.
- morganvachon 10y ago
  But by your own words, access to private info was granted back then only because of where we had to store it while traveling. We now store our information on encrypted supercomputers that fit in our pockets instead of in our luggage, open for all to see. If you truly feel we don't deserve and shouldn't expect privacy, I hereby demand that you immediately post your entire medical history, SSN, full contact list, passwords for all of your social media accounts, full text of every email and sms conversation you've ever had, your full browser history (porn and all), and links to every file in your cloud storage services, all to this public thread for everyone to see. Go ahead, I'm waiting. You have nothing to hide, right? You see, it's not about expecting more privacy, it's about expecting them to fully respect the privacy we already enjoy when sitting at home.
  - leereeves 10y ago
    > it's about expecting them to fully respect the privacy we already enjoy when sitting at home. That's the point. We don't, and that's not new. The courts decided long ago that we don't enjoy the same privacy when crossing borders that we enjoy when sitting at home. Whether the information is written on paper or stored on encrypted supercomputers is, legally, irrelevant.
    - morganvachon 10y ago
      So you're saying the law should never, ever change despite that technology changes and improves? That what was good enough for the 1970s is good enough for today? Because that's a pound of bullshit that I find hard to swallow. I still can't understand why you desire zero privacy at the border. Why would any citizen applaud the government for invading their privacy just to entertain security theater? The contents of my phone have zero bearing on whether I'm bringing a gun on a plane. You don't foil a terror plot at the TSA checkpoint by browsing someone's phone contents.
      - leereeves 10y ago
        No, I'm not saying the law shouldn't change. Advocate changing the law if you want but acknowledge that you're asking for a change in the law. Then consider the reasons the law exists in the first place and why they're no longer applicable, if you think that's the case. And please don't misstate my position. I don't desire having zero privacy. I just recognize why searches are necessary.

leereeves 10y ago

I'm arguing that we shouldn't expect more privacy simply because we've started storing our secrets electronically instead of on paper. Even in 1973 people had private info they didn't want the government to see, yet the Court decided other concerns overrode the Fourth Amendment.

morganvachon 10y ago
But by your own words, access to private info was granted back then only because of where we had to store it while traveling. We now store our information on encrypted supercomputers that fit in our pockets instead of in our luggage, open for all to see. If you truly feel we don't deserve and shouldn't expect privacy, I hereby demand that you immediately post your entire medical history, SSN, full contact list, passwords for all of your social media accounts, full text of every email and sms conversation you've ever had, your full browser history (porn and all), and links to every file in your cloud storage services, all to this public thread for everyone to see. Go ahead, I'm waiting. You have nothing to hide, right? You see, it's not about expecting more privacy, it's about expecting them to fully respect the privacy we already enjoy when sitting at home.
- leereeves 10y ago
  > it's about expecting them to fully respect the privacy we already enjoy when sitting at home. That's the point. We don't, and that's not new. The courts decided long ago that we don't enjoy the same privacy when crossing borders that we enjoy when sitting at home. Whether the information is written on paper or stored on encrypted supercomputers is, legally, irrelevant.
  - morganvachon 10y ago
    So you're saying the law should never, ever change despite that technology changes and improves? That what was good enough for the 1970s is good enough for today? Because that's a pound of bullshit that I find hard to swallow. I still can't understand why you desire zero privacy at the border. Why would any citizen applaud the government for invading their privacy just to entertain security theater? The contents of my phone have zero bearing on whether I'm bringing a gun on a plane. You don't foil a terror plot at the TSA checkpoint by browsing someone's phone contents.
    - leereeves 10y ago
      No, I'm not saying the law shouldn't change. Advocate changing the law if you want but acknowledge that you're asking for a change in the law. Then consider the reasons the law exists in the first place and why they're no longer applicable, if you think that's the case. And please don't misstate my position. I don't desire having zero privacy. I just recognize why searches are necessary.