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> a trick that I learned is to answer that it's in your employee confidentiality agreement not to discuss the terms of your employment. Except that this is a l
by mcherm 10y ago
> a trick that I learned is to answer that it's in your employee confidentiality agreement not to discuss the terms of your employment.
Except that this is a lie. In the US, it is ILLEGAL to have an employee agreement that states this (at least if you are an employee potentially capable of unionizing).
If I wanted to make up an untrue reason for keeping the data confidential, I would make up something more interesting than this. But instead, I'd prefer to simply keep mum. Or not... if I've been particularly well-compensated in my previous position I might be quite willing to share that salary information, accompanied with an assurance that I would be willing to negotiate a lower salary (if I am actually willing) in exchange for other things like flexible working conditions, autonomy, or greater responsibility.
- vladTheInhaler 10y ago>In exchange for...greater responsibility. So you would be willing to be paid less to do more?
- vkou 10y ago> Except that this is a lie. In the US, it is ILLEGAL to have an employee agreement that states this (at least if you are an employee potentially capable of unionizing). Then I signed an illegal agreement when I was working for one of the biggest investment banks in the United States. I should really thank them for that - in future negotiations, once I said that my current employment agreement is confidential, prospective employers stopped asking me stupid questions about current salary.
- Nadya 10y agoJust because you signed it doesn't mean it is enforceable. You sign a waiver at trampoline parks that says you won't sue if you hurt yourself or if they cause you to be hurt. The first part covers them, the second part doesn't. If they were negligent or failed to maintain the park and you were injured as a result you can sue them, that waiver is meaningless. [0] [0] IANAL but I've heard of many cases around these sorts of waivers at parks, rock climbing walls, bounce houses, etc where the waiver is meaningless. They only have you sign it so you think you can't sue them because you signed a piece of paper - and that tactic works.
- stale2002 10y agoObviously it is not enforcable. But why risk it? What, is the employer that you are talking to going to say "actually, that contract is illegal, therefore tell me your salary"?
- Nadya 10y agoThe second part of their message wasn't there when I responded or I somehow had missed it - which changes the context of my reply. I thought they were making a sarcastic quip. I totally agree with using the fact you signed away your right to share your salary as a negotiation tool, regardless if it is even legally binding. Hell - I'd argue to say that even if you never actually signed a paper at all.