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Nice output. I used to do a lot of interviews, and this is the sort of PDF I want to view, although a bit too crowded, but nonetheless I am okay with a one-page

by yeukhon 10y ago

Nice output. I used to do a lot of interviews, and this is the sort of PDF I want to view, although a bit too crowded, but nonetheless I am okay with a one-page, or a two-page resume with just enough description. Please never send in a 10-page resume detailing every single technology you have worked with / used at work. You don't show up at someone's doorstep to sell your product by introducing your whole life, do you? Resume is like a simplified pitch deck, make me interested in learning more about your application in 2 minutes. Also, please check your spellings and use consistent formatting. If you have worked on some side projects, definitely mentions the one you really like or the ones relevant to your job. If you wrote a robot running around the office on April Fool's Day, write that down, I'd be curious. I usually look at people's GitHub profile if a link is mentioned. My opinion is mine, though. Some HR / recruiter might not like my preference, but I would rather not work for that kind of firm.

JimDabell 10y ago
> Please never send in a 10-page resume detailing every single technology you have worked with / used at work. It always surprises me when I hear this attitude. I can't think of another example of people saying, essentially, "Please don't send me relevant information". My preference is the more detail the better. If I don't need as much information, I can skim over the bits I don't need, but if I don't have enough information to decide whether to take things further (and the typical US-style 1/2 page résumé rarely does), then it's an unnecessary waste of time chasing for that information. I don't want to poll you for information you could have provided ahead of time, and you aren't going to look good compared with the CV that includes relevant experience. Be succinct, by all means, but don't intentionally redact useful information! This is about providing the information necessary to get you to the next stage, not a teaser to pique interest. > You don't show up at someone's doorstep to sell your product by introducing your whole life, do you? That's handled with a summary at the top of your CV or a cover letter you send with your application.
- user5994461 10y ago
  >That's handled with a summary at the top of your CV or a cover letter you send with your application. There is no need for cover letter in our fields.
- pacaro 10y ago
  Last time I put a resume together I did it in react[1] (because) and I just collapsed older stuff and more detailed stuff, so if someone wants more data it's available, but if they don't want to be overwhelmed its not in their face. I suspect that the recruiters that I dealt with just used the pdf view [1] http://pollrobots.github.io/resume.html http://pollrobots.github.io/resume.html
- taeric 10y ago
  Often "more details" correlates strongly with "more noise." If it is relevant, by all means include it. Odds are very high nobody has 10 pages of relevant experience for a standard developer position.
- yeukhon 10y ago
  Your opinion is yours, of course. I prefer to have a live conversation with the candidate. I will never be able to learn a person's ability in just 60 minutes, or over a 10-page resume. Do you really need to tell me all the projects and technology you used at work? What I care about is the highlight and give me skills you are most comfortable with. All of them should be relevant to the position you are looking for. Also, CV and resume are not evidence. Interviews can show me whether the person know his / her stuff if I focus on the right questions. I've failed enough candidates I know how some people will make themselves look great on paper, but show up incompetent in real interviews, and the kinds of questions I ask aren't even tricky and don't require some deep understanding of the subject. Real conversation is better than a piece of paper, if I have to weigh the two. The longer your resume is, the more ammunition I have to throw at you during interview. I found more liars than I expected I would have.
  - JimDabell 10y ago
    A CV isn't a replacement for an interview, it's a tool to cut down on the number of interviews you have to conduct by giving you better information to make the decision about who to interview.
    - yeukhon 10y ago
      I never said it is a replacement. I said resume should be consice and get to the point. I have tons of experiences in my area of expertise, but I am not gong to sell you an autobiography of my whole career, because I know the highlight of my career. I also don't need to know your experience from 20 years ago, last 5-8 years would be enough.
      - JimDabell 10y ago
        > I never said it is a replacement. No, you were responding as if that was what I was saying. I'm struggling to understand your point when you say that a CV isn't evidence and people can look good on paper but not in person then. That's not an argument against having more information up front to help you decide whether to interview somebody or not.

by yeukhon 10y ago

JimDabell 10y ago

> Please never send in a 10-page resume detailing every single technology you have worked with / used at work. It always surprises me when I hear this attitude. I can't think of another example of people saying, essentially, "Please don't send me relevant information". My preference is the more detail the better. If I don't need as much information, I can skim over the bits I don't need, but if I don't have enough information to decide whether to take things further (and the typical US-style 1/2 page résumé rarely does), then it's an unnecessary waste of time chasing for that information. I don't want to poll you for information you could have provided ahead of time, and you aren't going to look good compared with the CV that includes relevant experience. Be succinct, by all means, but don't intentionally redact useful information! This is about providing the information necessary to get you to the next stage, not a teaser to pique interest. > You don't show up at someone's doorstep to sell your product by introducing your whole life, do you? That's handled with a summary at the top of your CV or a cover letter you send with your application.

user5994461 10y ago
>That's handled with a summary at the top of your CV or a cover letter you send with your application. There is no need for cover letter in our fields.
pacaro 10y ago
Last time I put a resume together I did it in react[1] (because) and I just collapsed older stuff and more detailed stuff, so if someone wants more data it's available, but if they don't want to be overwhelmed its not in their face. I suspect that the recruiters that I dealt with just used the pdf view [1] http://pollrobots.github.io/resume.html http://pollrobots.github.io/resume.html
taeric 10y ago
Often "more details" correlates strongly with "more noise." If it is relevant, by all means include it. Odds are very high nobody has 10 pages of relevant experience for a standard developer position.
yeukhon 10y ago
Your opinion is yours, of course. I prefer to have a live conversation with the candidate. I will never be able to learn a person's ability in just 60 minutes, or over a 10-page resume. Do you really need to tell me all the projects and technology you used at work? What I care about is the highlight and give me skills you are most comfortable with. All of them should be relevant to the position you are looking for. Also, CV and resume are not evidence. Interviews can show me whether the person know his / her stuff if I focus on the right questions. I've failed enough candidates I know how some people will make themselves look great on paper, but show up incompetent in real interviews, and the kinds of questions I ask aren't even tricky and don't require some deep understanding of the subject. Real conversation is better than a piece of paper, if I have to weigh the two. The longer your resume is, the more ammunition I have to throw at you during interview. I found more liars than I expected I would have.
- JimDabell 10y ago
  A CV isn't a replacement for an interview, it's a tool to cut down on the number of interviews you have to conduct by giving you better information to make the decision about who to interview.
  - yeukhon 10y ago
    I never said it is a replacement. I said resume should be consice and get to the point. I have tons of experiences in my area of expertise, but I am not gong to sell you an autobiography of my whole career, because I know the highlight of my career. I also don't need to know your experience from 20 years ago, last 5-8 years would be enough.
    - JimDabell 10y ago
      > I never said it is a replacement. No, you were responding as if that was what I was saying. I'm struggling to understand your point when you say that a CV isn't evidence and people can look good on paper but not in person then. That's not an argument against having more information up front to help you decide whether to interview somebody or not.