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To do its job the border patrol must invade the privacy of people entering the country. Terrorists, drug couriers, and fugitives lie and hide things. It's incr
by leereeves 10y ago
To do its job the border patrol must invade the privacy of people entering the country. Terrorists, drug couriers, and fugitives lie and hide things.
It's incredibly frustrating. I hate the experience every time I go through it. But I understand why it's necessary.
- emodendroket 10y agoCan't help but notice this is an entirely different argument.
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- danielbln 10y agoI'd rather not treat this as a forgone conclusion and would like to see some data on how often these invasive measures actually yield results.
- dandelion_lover 10y ago>Terrorists, drug couriers, and fugitives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-risk_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-risk_bias
- leereeves 10y ago> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-risk_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-risk_bias Who is claiming any measure will reduce risk to zero? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp.... Mocking reality is not an argument, even if it can create a popular TV show.
- dandelion_lover 10y ago>Who is claiming any measure will reduce risk to zero? No one. But some claim that the current risk must decrease, while it is much smaller than almost everything else.
- leereeves 10y agoThe current risk is measured while the border patrol and other agencies do their job. How many terrorist attacks would there be if no one was trying to stop them?
- dandelion_lover 10y agoPerhaps there would be (almost) the same number of attacks. If you disagree you have to provide evidence in order to break into privacy of others. BTW, NSA never prevented any terrorist attack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance#Purposes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance#Purposes Upd: Also, if the risk is already small, why we need even more privacy invasions?
- leereeves 10y agoUnfortunately the tools available to terrorists continue to change and so must the measures used to fight them. > NSA never prevented any terrorist attack: > The director of the National Security Administration today told Congress that more than 50 potential terrorist attacks have been thwarted by two controversial programs tracking more than a billion phone calls and vast swaths of Internet data each day. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nsa-director-50-potential-terrorist-attacks-thwarted-controversial/story?id=19428148 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nsa-director-50-potential-ter...
- dandelion_lover 10y agoThank you for the link. But I wish I could believe that after so many unpunished lies from them... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/25/nsa-reform-fire-officials-lied https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/25/nsa-re... > Unfortunately the tools available to terrorists continue to change and so must the measures used to fight them. From what I know, the current problem is not the lack of information, but how well it is targeted. For example, we knew about the terrorists in France in 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2017_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attacks#Suspect_and_aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2017_%C3%8Ele-de-France_... Also, many think that the war on terror made more harm to the humanity then what we would have otherwise. At least such invasive war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_War_on_Terror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_War_on_Terror
- mistermann 10y agoIs it really necessary though? Is the reason bombs aren't blowing up all over the US because of the swell job border security is doing, or might there be another reason? Perhaps the same reason bombs haven't been blowing up for centuries.
- leereeves 10y agoCertainly there are people who want to blow up bombs all over the US. What's stopping them, if not our security services?
- emodendroket 10y agoWould you say the number of such attacks has drastically fallen since 2000?
- leereeves 10y agoThe number of people trying to attack us has drastically risen.
- emodendroket 10y agoI think that is quite unlikely. Based on what evidence do you believe that?
- leereeves 10y agoJust based on my own experience having lived through the nineties. We didn't have any where near the number of attacks against the US and Europe then.
- emodendroket 10y agoI lived through the 90s too. I think if you want to make this claim you need some actual evidence.