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When it comes to net neutrality, all I can think of is what Jimmy Wales once said about the lesson he learned from Neupedia: "Don't make rules people are not br

When it comes to net neutrality, all I can think of is what Jimmy Wales once said about the lesson he learned from Neupedia: "Don't make rules people are not breaking." No one has really broken net neutrality principles yet. But there are ideas out there and innovation out there, where this net neutrality is turning out to be a hindrance to it all. Why cannot cable company provide cable TV over cable Internet? Because of net neutrality! Why cannot T-mobile provide TV experience on its network for everyone without breaking its network? Because of net neutrality. Why cannot Verizon offer free stuff for its customers over its network? Because of net neutrality. Net neutrality was not supposed to prevent ISPs from doing great stuff. It was supposed to prevent ISPs from making alliances with certain companies and enemies with other companies. It was supposed to prevent ISPs from harming innovation. It was supposed to prevent ISPs from hurting content providers and content types. Yet, now it is preventing ISPs from offering better services.

falcolas 10y ago
> No one has really broken net neutrality principles yet. Whew. It's good to know that mobile carriers aren't charging more for access to video providers than their own offerings. I knew that was all heresay. Or limiting Netflix bandwidth (while promoting their own pay-2-view channels) while blaming it on Level3. It's great to know such rules are not necessary.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> When it comes to net neutrality, all I can think of is what Jimmy Wales once said about the lesson he learned from Neupedia: "Don't make rules people are not breaking." The first Open Internet (the then-majority at FCC's term for net neutrality) Report and Order was drafted and issued after the FCC's use of "ancillary authority" action against Comcast for blocking use of peer-to-peer file sharing software was struck down in FCC v. Comcast [0]. People were breaking the rules that became the FCCs Open Internet rules before they were adopted, so the "Don't make rules people aren't breaking" line, however valid it might be as a general principle [1], is inapplicable. > But there are ideas out there and innovation out there, where this net neutrality is turning out to be a hindrance to it all. No, it's not. > Why cannot cable company provide cable TV over cable Internet? Because of net neutrality! False. Open Internet rules don't prevent this. They so prevent the cable company from blocking access to third-party video services also provided over the internet, though. > Why cannot T-mobile provide TV experience on its network for everyone without breaking its network? Because of net neutrality. Again false, of something is really necessary to prevent breaking the network, it falls under the ambit of the reasonable network management exception in the Open Internet Order. > Why cannot Verizon offer free stuff for its customers over its network? Because of net neutrality. The Open Internet Order does not prevent ISPs, mobile or fixed, from providing free stuff to subscribers. So, again, this is false. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast_Corp._v._FCC https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast_Corp._v._FCC [1] Itself a debatable point when there are foreseeable and preventable problems.
- nashashmi 10y ago
  > FCC's use of "ancillary authority" action against Comcast for blocking use of peer-to-peer file sharing software was struck down in FCC v. Comcast Good point! I was only vaguely familiar with the event.

falcolas 10y ago

> No one has really broken net neutrality principles yet. Whew. It's good to know that mobile carriers aren't charging more for access to video providers than their own offerings. I knew that was all heresay. Or limiting Netflix bandwidth (while promoting their own pay-2-view channels) while blaming it on Level3. It's great to know such rules are not necessary.

dragonwriter 10y ago

> When it comes to net neutrality, all I can think of is what Jimmy Wales once said about the lesson he learned from Neupedia: "Don't make rules people are not breaking." The first Open Internet (the then-majority at FCC's term for net neutrality) Report and Order was drafted and issued after the FCC's use of "ancillary authority" action against Comcast for blocking use of peer-to-peer file sharing software was struck down in FCC v. Comcast [0]. People were breaking the rules that became the FCCs Open Internet rules before they were adopted, so the "Don't make rules people aren't breaking" line, however valid it might be as a general principle [1], is inapplicable. > But there are ideas out there and innovation out there, where this net neutrality is turning out to be a hindrance to it all. No, it's not. > Why cannot cable company provide cable TV over cable Internet? Because of net neutrality! False. Open Internet rules don't prevent this. They so prevent the cable company from blocking access to third-party video services also provided over the internet, though. > Why cannot T-mobile provide TV experience on its network for everyone without breaking its network? Because of net neutrality. Again false, of something is really necessary to prevent breaking the network, it falls under the ambit of the reasonable network management exception in the Open Internet Order. > Why cannot Verizon offer free stuff for its customers over its network? Because of net neutrality. The Open Internet Order does not prevent ISPs, mobile or fixed, from providing free stuff to subscribers. So, again, this is false. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast_Corp._v._FCC https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast_Corp._v._FCC [1] Itself a debatable point when there are foreseeable and preventable problems.

nashashmi 10y ago
> FCC's use of "ancillary authority" action against Comcast for blocking use of peer-to-peer file sharing software was struck down in FCC v. Comcast Good point! I was only vaguely familiar with the event.