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No. You choose to use Windows. You choose to use shitty hardware that doesn't work with free software. You choose to use Visual Studio (protip: dev on Linux is

No. You choose to use Windows. You choose to use shitty hardware that doesn't work with free software. You choose to use Visual Studio (protip: dev on Linux is better than on Windows even without VS). You choose, and you have chosen wrong.

stinos 10y ago
Have I really? I'm verry happy with my job so that choice an sich wasn't wrong. Oh yes I started that job and entered into a world where it was mostly Windows (that, and the hardware had been chosen already btw). Well, it's ok for you to have the opinion that the young me was doing wrong by not having looked further for another job where there's no trace of Windows, but given that young me hardly even knew Linux existed that sounds pretty ridiculous. Also, stop making silly assumptions and giving false protips. You have no clue how much of my time is divided between Linux/Windows/Mac nor how much experience I have with developping on Linux, nor what kind of software, so your generalizations have no ear here.
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  You're making plenty of assumptions about me. I started in the Microsoft world. I was a frequent attendee and speaker at local MS user groups and conferences, a volunteer at TechEd, and I sat on the review board for the C#, ASP.NET MVC, Entity Framework, and Azure certification exams. I have the same background as you and I still think you're wrong here.
  - alphapapa 10y ago
    Have you written anything about your...uh...conversion? =)
    - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
      No, maybe some day.
      - alphapapa 10y ago
        I'd be interested to read it. :)
nebabyte 10y ago
So should we be filtering our applications to companies who are hiring by their dev environment? (Nah man I'm for it, let's kick the platform holy wars into gear again lol) As I mentioned elsewhere, idealism is all well and good but pragmatic realities are often all that the people 'in the intermediary' can or will concern themselves with. You're not going to make much headway convincing them that an available option that served their purposes was 'wrong'. Frankly, we're lucky to have Linus Torvalds et al. continuing development of the Linux kernel etc. as FOSS endeavours. Between the pushes for internet fast lanes, against it being a utility here, against hardware hacking, and so on, we're basically on borrowed time from corporate conglomerates having the right-of-way as far as tech governance goes. I wonder if the folks from the EFF will stick around once they can no longer avoid being outlitigated and outbankrolled at every turn, or if they have a backup country they're heading to.
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  >So should we be filtering our applications to companies who are hiring by their dev environment? (Nah man I'm for it, let's kick the platform holy wars into gear again lol) Yes. All your comment is doing is excusing away ethical failures. The most ethical path isn't always the easiest one.
  - nebabyte 10y ago
    While I don't know how far your advocacy will go in business environments for which nearly every actor - applicants, employers, customers - in the majority operate on pragmatic considerations, and in markets which destroy any non-pragmatic actors for them; but I applaud your efforts and look forward to hearing about any progress you make on this issue. You've still failed to convince me that there exists a "morality" mechanism that failed in Microsoft's case, per my original question, by the way. The simple fact of the matter is that they're not concerned with morality, and so long as you continue to believe in it as 'existing' in a corporate world without being able to point to 'where', you'll find that shock you felt in your initial comment more often than you'd like.
    - 10y ago

stinos 10y ago

Have I really? I'm verry happy with my job so that choice an sich wasn't wrong. Oh yes I started that job and entered into a world where it was mostly Windows (that, and the hardware had been chosen already btw). Well, it's ok for you to have the opinion that the young me was doing wrong by not having looked further for another job where there's no trace of Windows, but given that young me hardly even knew Linux existed that sounds pretty ridiculous. Also, stop making silly assumptions and giving false protips. You have no clue how much of my time is divided between Linux/Windows/Mac nor how much experience I have with developping on Linux, nor what kind of software, so your generalizations have no ear here.

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
You're making plenty of assumptions about me. I started in the Microsoft world. I was a frequent attendee and speaker at local MS user groups and conferences, a volunteer at TechEd, and I sat on the review board for the C#, ASP.NET MVC, Entity Framework, and Azure certification exams. I have the same background as you and I still think you're wrong here.
- alphapapa 10y ago
  Have you written anything about your...uh...conversion? =)
  - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
    No, maybe some day.
    - alphapapa 10y ago
      I'd be interested to read it. :)

nebabyte 10y ago

So should we be filtering our applications to companies who are hiring by their dev environment? (Nah man I'm for it, let's kick the platform holy wars into gear again lol) As I mentioned elsewhere, idealism is all well and good but pragmatic realities are often all that the people 'in the intermediary' can or will concern themselves with. You're not going to make much headway convincing them that an available option that served their purposes was 'wrong'. Frankly, we're lucky to have Linus Torvalds et al. continuing development of the Linux kernel etc. as FOSS endeavours. Between the pushes for internet fast lanes, against it being a utility here, against hardware hacking, and so on, we're basically on borrowed time from corporate conglomerates having the right-of-way as far as tech governance goes. I wonder if the folks from the EFF will stick around once they can no longer avoid being outlitigated and outbankrolled at every turn, or if they have a backup country they're heading to.

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
>So should we be filtering our applications to companies who are hiring by their dev environment? (Nah man I'm for it, let's kick the platform holy wars into gear again lol) Yes. All your comment is doing is excusing away ethical failures. The most ethical path isn't always the easiest one.
- nebabyte 10y ago
  While I don't know how far your advocacy will go in business environments for which nearly every actor - applicants, employers, customers - in the majority operate on pragmatic considerations, and in markets which destroy any non-pragmatic actors for them; but I applaud your efforts and look forward to hearing about any progress you make on this issue. You've still failed to convince me that there exists a "morality" mechanism that failed in Microsoft's case, per my original question, by the way. The simple fact of the matter is that they're not concerned with morality, and so long as you continue to believe in it as 'existing' in a corporate world without being able to point to 'where', you'll find that shock you felt in your initial comment more often than you'd like.
  - 10y ago