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salesguy222 10y ago
racists will just deny people they don't like for other reasons, like smoking weed or type of job or background check or
- oxide 10y ago
  Which is discriminatory, what's your point? That racists are going to discriminate regardless? Well, as in other areas, there will always be abusers. Drug testing welfare reicpients, for example, is a slap in the face to small government ideals and does absolutely nothing to deter abuse. The truth is the abusers are the exception, not the norm. Regulations and legalisation are not unlike a doorlock. It might keep out those who would steal given a free pass to do so, but anyone more determined will make short work of it. You can't legislate against that kind of abuse, the abuse of a black and white law prohibiting this type of discrimination for example. It's clear to me that you can't regulate someone out of being a racist prick, an addict, etc. They just keep coming up with a new way to do whatever the fuck they please.
  - kefka 10y ago
    Well, This is AirBNB's own moment of "Gig Economy goes against established law" like Uber and HomeJoy have done. Hoteliers and traditional rental agencies are not to discriminate on a list of things (now including sexual orientation and status). They have, including Trump. And they've also been sued to the gills for knowingly violating it and lost. Simply put, it's against the law to discriminate on basis of race or color; religion; national origin; familial status or age—includes families with children under the age of 18 and pregnant women; disability or handicap, or sex. (Source: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/renters-rights-book/chapter5-2.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/renters-ri... ) Does that mean I'm required to let people in my home? Well, no. Just because someone shows up on my property means nothing. If they try to come in without permission, that's trespassing. If they have a weapon, in many states I'm legally able to blow them away. Castle Doctrine is the general description, with unique laws per state ( Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine ) But what happens when both are true, with AirBNB and someone I don't like (Muslim/Christian/Atheist/Black/Brown/Asian/gay/handicapped/dirty/poor/smelly/angry/arrogant/...)? There's the crux.
qb45 10y ago
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_v._Kraemer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_v._Kraemer OK, so seller is allowed to arrange with buyer not to resell the property to XYZ race but the agreement can't be enforced by means of a lawsuit. And you found this relevant because?

racists will just deny people they don't like for other reasons, like smoking weed or type of job or background check or

oxide 10y ago
Which is discriminatory, what's your point? That racists are going to discriminate regardless? Well, as in other areas, there will always be abusers. Drug testing welfare reicpients, for example, is a slap in the face to small government ideals and does absolutely nothing to deter abuse. The truth is the abusers are the exception, not the norm. Regulations and legalisation are not unlike a doorlock. It might keep out those who would steal given a free pass to do so, but anyone more determined will make short work of it. You can't legislate against that kind of abuse, the abuse of a black and white law prohibiting this type of discrimination for example. It's clear to me that you can't regulate someone out of being a racist prick, an addict, etc. They just keep coming up with a new way to do whatever the fuck they please.
- kefka 10y ago
  Well, This is AirBNB's own moment of "Gig Economy goes against established law" like Uber and HomeJoy have done. Hoteliers and traditional rental agencies are not to discriminate on a list of things (now including sexual orientation and status). They have, including Trump. And they've also been sued to the gills for knowingly violating it and lost. Simply put, it's against the law to discriminate on basis of race or color; religion; national origin; familial status or age—includes families with children under the age of 18 and pregnant women; disability or handicap, or sex. (Source: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/renters-rights-book/chapter5-2.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/renters-ri... ) Does that mean I'm required to let people in my home? Well, no. Just because someone shows up on my property means nothing. If they try to come in without permission, that's trespassing. If they have a weapon, in many states I'm legally able to blow them away. Castle Doctrine is the general description, with unique laws per state ( Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine ) But what happens when both are true, with AirBNB and someone I don't like (Muslim/Christian/Atheist/Black/Brown/Asian/gay/handicapped/dirty/poor/smelly/angry/arrogant/...)? There's the crux.

qb45 10y ago

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_v._Kraemer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_v._Kraemer OK, so seller is allowed to arrange with buyer not to resell the property to XYZ race but the agreement can't be enforced by means of a lawsuit. And you found this relevant because?