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Inb4 the top minds of hacker news play devil's advocate

salesguy222 9y ago
haha honestly this place is rather sjw you will be able to tell by my greyed out comment and the reason everyone is SJW here (or maybe just hyper politically correct) is because most people are here to get a well paying job, not share their truest most controversial opinions btw I'm anti racism myself. just sharing my impression of this particular site's audience, especially those who can downvote here
- tachaeon 9y ago
  Littering and....
- hiddencost 9y ago
  Nope, most people are "social justice warriors" because they actually care about other people. We're not all secretly harboring boiling resentment on the basis of race / creed / gender / etc. that we're suppressing for pragmatic reasons.
  - kefka 9y ago
    > Nope, most people are "social justice warriors" because they actually care about other people. We're not all secretly harboring boiling resentment on the basis of race / creed / gender / etc. that we're suppressing for pragmatic reasons. No. Most people are apathetic and/or do not want to get involved in others issues. I've seen it, but you need not trust what I say. Go look up bystander effect. Some people, especially on the extreme left, have developed this victim attitude where everything affronts them, no matter what. It's something I've coined, but it reminds me of the "Victim of the Week", similar to how some tv shows have "monster of the week". Certain causes are 'cooler' than others. And the worst part is if you don't keep up with what you should be affronted to, then the rest of the group will disavow and oust you as "racist, homophobic, sexist, ...." The extreme right did learn one thing: no matter how different many are (blue dog all the way to tea partier), they don't oust you for having different beliefs within their continuum. ObOnTopic: Well, they did indeed give a reason. "Asian". Yeah, it's pretty damn offensive. I certainly wouldn't do that. But I'm sitting between "Well, racism sucks. Fuck em", and "It's their right as householder to decide who comes in and who doesn't, regardless the reason." And sometimes, it's nicer to know if they are a racist. Perhaps AirBNB should put that field in there, and allow people to show their true colors. A bit of sunshine usually helps disinfect problems like that.
    - sangnoir 9y ago
      > The extreme right did learn one thing: no matter how different many are (blue dog all the way to tea partier), they don't oust you for having different beliefs within their continuum. You might be forgetting/not aware of the terms 'RINO', or more recently: 'Cuckservative' which are used by the right to disparage others on their continuum. Politics is getting more polarized on the left and the right. See also: recent Freedom Caucus actions.
- sctb 9y ago
  Please resist the temptation to make such generalizations about the community—those aren't part of a civil, thoughtful discussion.
hiddencost 9y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_v._Kraemer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_v._Kraemer
- salesguy222 9y ago
  racists will just deny people they don't like for other reasons, like smoking weed or type of job or background check or
  - oxide 9y ago
    Which is discriminatory, what's your point? That racists are going to discriminate regardless? Well, as in other areas, there will always be abusers. Drug testing welfare reicpients, for example, is a slap in the face to small government ideals and does absolutely nothing to deter abuse. The truth is the abusers are the exception, not the norm. Regulations and legalisation are not unlike a doorlock. It might keep out those who would steal given a free pass to do so, but anyone more determined will make short work of it. You can't legislate against that kind of abuse, the abuse of a black and white law prohibiting this type of discrimination for example. It's clear to me that you can't regulate someone out of being a racist prick, an addict, etc. They just keep coming up with a new way to do whatever the fuck they please.
    - kefka 9y ago
      Well, This is AirBNB's own moment of "Gig Economy goes against established law" like Uber and HomeJoy have done. Hoteliers and traditional rental agencies are not to discriminate on a list of things (now including sexual orientation and status). They have, including Trump. And they've also been sued to the gills for knowingly violating it and lost. Simply put, it's against the law to discriminate on basis of race or color; religion; national origin; familial status or age—includes families with children under the age of 18 and pregnant women; disability or handicap, or sex. (Source: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/renters-rights-book/chapter5-2.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/renters-ri... ) Does that mean I'm required to let people in my home? Well, no. Just because someone shows up on my property means nothing. If they try to come in without permission, that's trespassing. If they have a weapon, in many states I'm legally able to blow them away. Castle Doctrine is the general description, with unique laws per state ( Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine ) But what happens when both are true, with AirBNB and someone I don't like (Muslim/Christian/Atheist/Black/Brown/Asian/gay/handicapped/dirty/poor/smelly/angry/arrogant/...)? There's the crux.

haha honestly this place is rather sjw you will be able to tell by my greyed out comment and the reason everyone is SJW here (or maybe just hyper politically correct) is because most people are here to get a well paying job, not share their truest most controversial opinions btw I'm anti racism myself. just sharing my impression of this particular site's audience, especially those who can downvote here

tachaeon 9y ago
Littering and....
hiddencost 9y ago
Nope, most people are "social justice warriors" because they actually care about other people. We're not all secretly harboring boiling resentment on the basis of race / creed / gender / etc. that we're suppressing for pragmatic reasons.
- kefka 9y ago
  > Nope, most people are "social justice warriors" because they actually care about other people. We're not all secretly harboring boiling resentment on the basis of race / creed / gender / etc. that we're suppressing for pragmatic reasons. No. Most people are apathetic and/or do not want to get involved in others issues. I've seen it, but you need not trust what I say. Go look up bystander effect. Some people, especially on the extreme left, have developed this victim attitude where everything affronts them, no matter what. It's something I've coined, but it reminds me of the "Victim of the Week", similar to how some tv shows have "monster of the week". Certain causes are 'cooler' than others. And the worst part is if you don't keep up with what you should be affronted to, then the rest of the group will disavow and oust you as "racist, homophobic, sexist, ...." The extreme right did learn one thing: no matter how different many are (blue dog all the way to tea partier), they don't oust you for having different beliefs within their continuum. ObOnTopic: Well, they did indeed give a reason. "Asian". Yeah, it's pretty damn offensive. I certainly wouldn't do that. But I'm sitting between "Well, racism sucks. Fuck em", and "It's their right as householder to decide who comes in and who doesn't, regardless the reason." And sometimes, it's nicer to know if they are a racist. Perhaps AirBNB should put that field in there, and allow people to show their true colors. A bit of sunshine usually helps disinfect problems like that.
  - sangnoir 9y ago
    > The extreme right did learn one thing: no matter how different many are (blue dog all the way to tea partier), they don't oust you for having different beliefs within their continuum. You might be forgetting/not aware of the terms 'RINO', or more recently: 'Cuckservative' which are used by the right to disparage others on their continuum. Politics is getting more polarized on the left and the right. See also: recent Freedom Caucus actions.
sctb 9y ago
Please resist the temptation to make such generalizations about the community—those aren't part of a civil, thoughtful discussion.

hiddencost 9y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_v._Kraemer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_v._Kraemer

salesguy222 9y ago
racists will just deny people they don't like for other reasons, like smoking weed or type of job or background check or
- oxide 9y ago
  Which is discriminatory, what's your point? That racists are going to discriminate regardless? Well, as in other areas, there will always be abusers. Drug testing welfare reicpients, for example, is a slap in the face to small government ideals and does absolutely nothing to deter abuse. The truth is the abusers are the exception, not the norm. Regulations and legalisation are not unlike a doorlock. It might keep out those who would steal given a free pass to do so, but anyone more determined will make short work of it. You can't legislate against that kind of abuse, the abuse of a black and white law prohibiting this type of discrimination for example. It's clear to me that you can't regulate someone out of being a racist prick, an addict, etc. They just keep coming up with a new way to do whatever the fuck they please.
  - kefka 9y ago
    Well, This is AirBNB's own moment of "Gig Economy goes against established law" like Uber and HomeJoy have done. Hoteliers and traditional rental agencies are not to discriminate on a list of things (now including sexual orientation and status). They have, including Trump. And they've also been sued to the gills for knowingly violating it and lost. Simply put, it's against the law to discriminate on basis of race or color; religion; national origin; familial status or age—includes families with children under the age of 18 and pregnant women; disability or handicap, or sex. (Source: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/renters-rights-book/chapter5-2.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/renters-ri... ) Does that mean I'm required to let people in my home? Well, no. Just because someone shows up on my property means nothing. If they try to come in without permission, that's trespassing. If they have a weapon, in many states I'm legally able to blow them away. Castle Doctrine is the general description, with unique laws per state ( Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine ) But what happens when both are true, with AirBNB and someone I don't like (Muslim/Christian/Atheist/Black/Brown/Asian/gay/handicapped/dirty/poor/smelly/angry/arrogant/...)? There's the crux.